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Troudabur is just worried his 19th century looking foggy island can't deal with covid, meanwhile eastern europe handled it ok.
The only visible fog is that clouding out the ability to reason in your mind. Moving on. Wrong as usual. Poland and Bulgar are seeing a rise in numbers. But no matter, keep cheering on your Russian masters of old with the hope they'll ride to the rescue.
They're nowhere near herd immunity. Even in Stockholm the seroprevalence was reported at 7%-8%, they need roughly 10x that number with antibodies to achieve herd immunity. I don't think any business organisations have been pushing to let the virus out of control. They understand what that will mean for their own businesses. Like I said, no one is going to risk being vented so they can dine at their favourite restaurant.
If you want to save lives and save the economy the only option is to try and suppress it and control it. We have to live around it until there is a vaccine, herd immunity, or viable treatments. That's just the way life's going to be for a while.
Exactly so. What is scary is the potential damage being done to younger folk, who it appears may will suffer from on going/or future lung damage as well as other health problems.
The other issue is if this disease mutates into something far more fierce.
The other issue is if this disease mutates into something far more fierce.
That's a highly unlikely outcome. More likely, but still not very likely, is that it mutates into something much more benign. It is in the virus' interests to not cause symptoms let alone kill the host. That's how SARS in 2003 ended up disappearin. It's also why things like Ebola have not lead to pandemics on the scale we're seeing with covid.
Still hilarious you think I read whatever you type in any case China can always send "second wave" and your 500 years old empire won't stop it judging by the way they 'stopped' the 1st one last month...
But parts of Europe are or have retuned to a lockdown but more a case of particular areas than entire countries to date at least.
Countries are reintroducing travel restrictions to areas like Barcelona and Basque Country and UK has tough criteria in place insisting on quarantine for tourists from what are marked down as 'hotspots' for infection.
Numerous countries are very concerned at growing numbers such as The Netherlands and France, Greece and Spain. Concern changes by the day.
Sweden has not feared better than surrounding countries. In fact so much so that they have not been included in the 'Nordic bubble' that allowed travel ease between al other neighbouring countries in the region.
The Swedish decision to go for herd immunity has been critiqued by numerous Swedish medical and scientific professionals. Obviously applauded by various business organizations who possess own agenda but has resulted in an horrific toll among its aged citizens.
Their stats show way more deaths and infected on a population basis than other countries to date in the region.
I guess some things should rise above monetary gain like a retention of humanity and not to cave in to the pressures being applied by right wing commentators and parts of the business world.
What parts of Europe have locked down? As far as i know Manchester in the UK was locked down for a period which most people were ignoring anyway. Europe still has restrictions but it is merely in damage control at the moment accepting the virus is a part of life and are trying to slow it's effects while getting on with things. As for Sweden, it's mortality rate is lower than countries that did lock-down, that still a fact even if ut's higher than other nordic countries, it's cases have flat lined and has one of the lowest daily death tolls in Europe recently, it left restrictions mostly up to individual responsibility which they have adherd to
They're nowhere near herd immunity. Even in Stockholm the seroprevalence was reported at 7%-8%, they need roughly 10x that number with antibodies to achieve herd immunity. I don't think any business organisations have been pushing to let the virus out of control. They understand what that will mean for their own businesses. Like I said, no one is going to risk being vented so they can dine at their favourite restaurant.
If you want to save lives and save the economy the only option is to try and suppress it and control it. We have to live around it until there is a vaccine, herd immunity, or viable treatments. That's just the way life's going to be for a while.
That is lunacy, people can't keep going on mortgage holidays stacking up greater and greater debt and survive on a measley $550 subsidy per week, businesses have warned all across the country they couldn't survive another lock-down. Mate we going to impoverish our countries and I don't mean taking away peoples excess funds for materialistic gadgets, im talking about having the means to feed their families a nutritious meal.
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