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Originally Posted by WFW&P
This is the downside of big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ being pumped into the sport.
It is, probably inevitable but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
I've been an F1 fan since I was a 12 year old reading (TV? HAH!) of Phil Hill's championship in 1961. Even as late as Andretti's championship era in 1978 it was possible to buy a Cosworth V-8, and in a shop little more euipped than a good home workshop and with a small group of people build a competetive F1 car. Now a front running team will employ 500-600 people to run 2 cars for a season.
They say money changes everything, not that it changes everything for the better.
While I respect the basis of the OP's rant the generalization of the driver's attitudes as a whole is off base. There are a few current drivers who have used their "money" to save some local tracks which would otherwise have gone under. You know those tracks the so-called-stay-with-their-roots-core-because-NASCAR-sucks-and-the-races-are-too-expensive fans conveniently forgot about.
I agree. You can't expect the drivers stay true to NASCAR roots when the organization as a whole seemingly abandoned them when the money started pouring in.
Examples off the top of my head: Southern 500, North Wilkesboro, Rockingham, "Cookie Cutters"
I agree. You can't expect the drivers stay true to NASCAR roots when the organization as a whole seemingly abandoned them when the money started pouring in.
Examples off the top of my head: Southern 500, North Wilkesboro, Rockingham, "Cookie Cutters"
I am a younger fan and I miss the Southern 500, The Rock and hate the SMI cookie cutters having a total of 5 races.
It is, probably inevitable but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
I've been an F1 fan since I was a 12 year old reading (TV? HAH!) of Phil Hill's championship in 1961. Even as late as Andretti's championship era in 1978 it was possible to buy a Cosworth V-8, and in a shop little more euipped than a good home workshop and with a small group of people build a competetive F1 car. Now a front running team will employ 500-600 people to run 2 cars for a season.
They say money changes everything, not that it changes everything for the better.
Your likely can find that at local levels still as NASCAR has many series of races. It might tho require you to go to the track unless its sponsored for local television. The history of F1 has always been factory teams. Your talking about F1 recovering from effects of war still. Many Americans do not realize just now long even rationing occurred in Europe after the war because of the destruction. You can support the same guys who towed their car to the track after work and towed it home after weekend for a trophy today still at local tracks or by going to lower series racing. Its support by the top tho as far as organizing it.
Your likely can find that at local levels still as NASCAR has many series of races. It might tho require you to go to the track unless its sponsored for local television. The history of F1 has always been factory teams. Your talking about F1 recovering from effects of war still. Many Americans do not realize just now long even rationing occurred in Europe after the war because of the destruction. You can support the same guys who towed their car to the track after work and towed it home after weekend for a trophy today still at local tracks or by going to lower series racing. Its support by the top tho as far as organizing it.
I would also encourage people to not get locked in to asphalt. If you can, go check out some of the cars and series that Tony Stewart, Kasey Kahne, Jeff Gordon and others came from. You have to see sprint cars on dirt, as well as modifieds and late models. When you see the hard work, sweat and dedication that some of these local guys put in you gain a whole new appreciation for the sport...
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Your likely can find that at local levels still as NASCAR has many series of races. It might tho require you to go to the track unless its sponsored for local television. The history of F1 has always been factory teams. Your talking about F1 recovering from effects of war still. Many Americans do not realize just now long even rationing occurred in Europe after the war because of the destruction. You can support the same guys who towed their car to the track after work and towed it home after weekend for a trophy today still at local tracks or by going to lower series racing. Its support by the top tho as far as organizing it.
Oh, I've been to many lower level events over the years, both Saturday night bull rings and road course events, enjoyed them all, including crewing for an SCCA racer.
F1 remained relatively simple for quite a while after the war, look at the Lotus 79 Andretti won his title with, a riveted monocoque is within the skill set of many talented amateurs, engine/transmission were vendor supplied, and England always had cottage industries that could supply components like castings for uprights, etc.
I still enjoy F1 for the technology, just not fond of the regs specifying # of cylinders, redline, etc., would like to see more room for innovation.
The sad part of this whole thread is that my DH has put his life, his heart and soul into helping those young boys who he felt actually had talent and could make it even though--remember most of these drivers are from drivers families--even though these were west coast boys they had talent and so does my DH with what he does to transmissions. He is amazing with transmissions and can make them do anything--and yes, he is the best! But sadly now there is no competition with the different parts of the race cars--engines, transmissions or even the shape of them. Now it is so regulated there is no "tricks" like they use to use--and they did! The "big-guys" in NASCAR know very well who and what my DH has done--he has helped many of them when they raced on the west coast--at all hours of the night and day--he was always there for them! He's be the guy to give them the shirt off his back. Yep....just a call or a sorry to hear your situation would be so nice. And yes, they know.....they just do not have time...........I really have NO respect anymore for NASCAR or any of the people in it!
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The sad part of this whole thread is that my DH has put his life, his heart and soul into helping those young boys who he felt actually had talent and could make it even though--remember most of these drivers are from drivers families--even though these were west coast boys they had talent and so does my DH with what he does to transmissions. He is amazing with transmissions and can make them do anything--and yes, he is the best! But sadly now there is no competition with the different parts of the race cars--engines, transmissions or even the shape of them. Now it is so regulated there is no "tricks" like they use to use--and they did! The "big-guys" in NASCAR know very well who and what my DH has done--he has helped many of them when they raced on the west coast--at all hours of the night and day--he was always there for them! He's be the guy to give them the shirt off his back. Yep....just a call or a sorry to hear your situation would be so nice. And yes, they know.....they just do not have time...........I really have NO respect anymore for NASCAR or any of the people in it!
You ever think it is partly ignorance of the situation. I mean some people are not in the know who did what. If they did know and didn't talk about it, I agree but not everyone knows that Bob did what your DH did. It is not always as easy as they know what happened. It is sad some people are forgotten by those but sadly it is a part of life that is either because either one did something or perhaps they lost touch which seems to be a factor in this one. I am not saying it is right at all, it is just something you need to think about.
Yes, and that is not the problem--these guys we knew on first name basis and their families for years. They have been to our home here and in CA--just not lately. They are all very well aware of our situation and my husbands illness. No excuses but that is ok because it is the way they are and I can't change that it just hurts my feelings to see the lack of concern or even care for a person who had done so much for those who now just don't have the time or the concern. There are many sad things about people so this is just one small example. Thanks for trying to make it seem better---life will go on for most. Again thanks for your thoughts.
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The "big-guys" in NASCAR know very well who and what my DH has done--he has helped many of them when they raced on the west coast--at all hours of the night and day--he was always there for them! He's be the guy to give them the shirt off his back. Yep....just a call or a sorry to hear your situation would be so nice. And yes, they know.....they just do not have time...........I really have NO respect anymore for NASCAR or any of the people in it!
