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Thanks Big Brother! Sometimes seat belts kill people, but even if they save more people than they kill it's an individual's choice--not big Gov.
This was proven only a handful of times (with millions accidents worth of proof that lives were saved because of seat belt use).
In almost every single case, the at-fault belt was type 1 belt (lap belt), which are now obsolete. Type 2 (or above) belts (3 point). I am not aware of implication of a 3 point lab belt in a fatality. If you can find one, I'm all ears (.. or eyes?).
I won't engage in the 'big brother' argument (although I tend to agree with you), but lets make sure we're spreading factual information rather than continuing the ridiculous "seat belts kill" chatter.
The most famous case was Williamson v. Mazda Motor of America, and seat belts are covered under FMVSS Std. 209, if you'd like to read up on it.
Yeah, I drive with people who don't. Once I got in and was the only in the car with a seat belt on... that's four adults in the early 20 to late 20 range.
I tend to agree, it's none of the governments business. With the stipulation that if you get in a car accident with no seat belt on, you should be the one paying any medical bills. It's gross negligence not to wear one, and society or your insurance shouldn't be on the hook for stupid.
By that mentality there is a long list of reasons why people shouldn't be covered due to their own actions. Every obese person or cigarette smoker who falls ill due to their habits shouldn't be covered, right? That's gotta be a quarter of the people in the US.
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Originally Posted by Wilson513
Watch the news. Every other time someone is killed they were not wearing a seat belt. About 50% IMO.
That means half the people killed were wearing their belts. Same as a coin toss probability.
That means half the people killed were wearing their belts. Same as a coin toss probability.
Neither argument makes sense (first of all because its anecdotal and based off of local news coverage) - seat belts are of many safety features in a car. They help present fatalities, but do not pretend to solve the problem.
We're leaving out several factors, which play a huge role, mainly severity of the accident, COD, etc.
It sounds like you're arguing that you're equally likely to survive an accident if you're not wearing a belt? I'm not sure I believe that.
Thanks Big Brother! Sometimes seat belts kill people, but even if they save more people than they kill it's an individual's choice--not big Gov.
With this view, I suspect that you also agree that people should not be forced to by health insurance, right?
Well, the 5 or so young people I met with spinal cord injuries due to not wearing seatbelts...... most of them are now in poverty, on medicaid, as they didn't have health insurance at the time of their accident. So just for those 5 people..... it will cost the country millions of dollars over their lifetimes that ALL OF US will pay for their medicaid/medicare, wheelchairs, SSI/disability, lost income......
And that was so they could have their choice to not wear seatbelts, and not buy health insurance.
Foolish, foolish kids..... And many foolish, foolish adults.
It could happen to your son. Are you ready to pay for his spinal cord injury? Honestly, I don't. I don't want to pay for it, and even better, I don't want it to happen.
I think john in frisco should have that right. If you dont want to wear a seatbelt in spite of the evidence, fine.
I also think that if john in frisco gets in a car accident and suffers injuries due to not wearing a seatbelt, state-subsidized hospitals (ie, all hospitals) should be allowed to reject him.
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