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Old 11-05-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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A friend was trying to lube his 2012 Dodge Avenger (R/T). He could find no lube points. I know some Japanese cars have entirely sealed tie rod ends, control arms and the lake where you just throw them away when they dry out. IS the Avenger that way, or is he just missing them? Haynes has not come out with a manual for this car yet.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: NYC
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A friend was trying to lube his 2012 Dodge Avenger (R/T). He could find no lube points. I know some Japanese cars have entirely sealed tie rod ends, control arms and the lake where you just throw them away when they dry out. IS the Avenger that way, or is he just missing them? Haynes has not come out with a manual for this car yet.
It's not just japanese cars - this is the norm, now.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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And has been for years. A lot of years.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I do not drive new cars. I guess my friend has not either (until now). Our newest car, a 2006 Chevy express still has lube points. Our next newest, 2003 Ranger has them too I think, I cannot remember with certainty, but I know I use that grease gun hanging on the wall on a regular basis.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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My newest 4x4 has 3 lube ,while my old 4runner has a dozen of them.
It is getting very common to see sealed/ lifetime tie-rod ends and balljoints that are not serviceable. He could be right.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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It's not that new. The truck examples you are citing (Express van, Ranger) may have been more likely to keep having lube points.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure even the 1989 Japanese car I had before my current one had no lube points, and the 1985 as well. So we're going on 30 years of that from Honda. If Honda was an early pioneer then other cars may be in between in terms of how long they have had sealed joints.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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My 1979 or 1980 Honda CvCC had them.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:52 AM
 
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A 2010 Ranger has no grease points and the van 12 lube points on a Chevy Express.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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My 1979 or 1980 Honda CvCC had them.
Heh. Well, to be more accurate I just looked up the 85 Civic and although it's apparently not exactly "sealed" per se it doesn't have any grease fittings. Are we trying to be specific about it having fittings or just having somewhere to generally get some lube on the various parts?
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Whittier
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I think some trucks and off road vehicles tend to have them more than regular/newer commuter cars.

When I bought a new ball joint to install in my Civic I was peeved that it WAS serviceable; the fitting that came with the joint hit the boot and the ABS teeth wouldn't fit with that stupid nub sticking out. I looked for a "lower" profile one or just a rubber nub to place in there for the time being.
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