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Old 03-17-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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Do they still stand for the things they stood for back then, or is it more about the brand image now? I don't really understand the appeal of today's muscle cars, though I must say I prefer the Challenger the most out of the choice between the Mustang, the Camaro, and the Challenger.
a huge engine and mediocre handling
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Would you count a late model GTO as a musclecar?
Not really
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Yes, huge and soft. That's the way I like my luxury cars!

Lol I remember packing not kidding 4 in the front and 5 in the back and head up to Big Bear for the day. And the funny thing we were ALL comfortable. I mean you could literally stretch out
And bumps and potholes? Suspension so soft you felt nothing. Just a floaty feeling
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Lol I remember packing not kidding 4 in the front and 5 in the back and head up to Big Bear for the day. And the funny thing we were ALL comfortable. I mean you could literally stretch out
And bumps and potholes? Suspension so soft you felt nothing. Just a floaty feeling
They really were something. And fortunately can still be enjoyed even now.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Actually, that happened in the 1990s (1995-1996, to be exact).

And it's a pretty interesting observation considering that the 1995 5.0 and 1996 4.6 were each rated at 215 HP, and within a couple of years the 4.6 was up to 260.

Looking at it from a neutral standpoint, I would say it seems more likely that that might have signaled the rebirth of factory muscle rather than the end.
The 5.0 could easily get 260HP with heads as they are the BIGGEST restriction on the 5.0 HO. Changing to better flowing heads will ne gains close to 40horsepower. No other collection of "bolt-ons" can do this for the same amount for Bang for the buck on the 5.0 and Now just take care of the most restrictive part of the intake, the UPPER and LOWER manifolds

Get rid of the restrictive Throttle body a larger TB will increase performance as much as 15 HP with all the mods installed.

At this point your stock INJECTORS are in their limit, a good choice is getting 30 pounders and a new fuel pump and MAF OR CUSTOM CHIP.

The Ignition system is now one of the weak links in the equation, with the added HP and fuel, a better coil to burn the added fuel.


Add in a headers and hi-flowcats and mufflers and you have a 300HP daily driveable 5.0 Mustang the SOHC Mod motor is less responsive to bolt-ons and the best thing for them is a boost by a supercharger or turbo kit which makes them a totally different vehicle otherwise the 2-valve Mod motor is very restrictive for N/A bolt-on in terms of gains compared to the 5.0HO
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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muscle cars meant above average horsepower. Today's autos can get way more HP then in the 60's to 71 car could ever get. The new camaro, mustang, and challenger keeps the concept of muscle car alive.
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Eh, pony cars and muscle cars have been used interchangeably for decades now, no matter what the original "definition" was.

It used to be fairly easy to classify, the Mustang, Camaro/Firebird, Challenger were all two door with big engines, and were only good for going in a straight line. A Corvette for example, was a sportscar. It could out handle and out brake the rest of them because it was designed to be an all around car.

Now though, with modern day Mustangs and Camaros getting OHV engines, IRS, large brake and rotor packages... They are sports cars themselves in most performance metrics you can think of.
All engines are OHV. You're thinking of OHC. Ford uses DOHC, GM uses pushrod OHV
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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All engines are OHV.
So what's this, the Loch Ness Monster?

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Old 03-24-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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So what's this, the Loch Ness Monster?
I meant all engines currently being made. Obviously something from half a century ago has zero relevance to modern muscle cars
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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This is a good post. I can relate as I an a gearhead that started loving muscle cars in the late 60's an I have owned a few including my 63 Plymouth Sport Fury I now own. But as someone said muscle cars back in the 60's and 70's were medium size cars with big powerful engines put in them. Today its hard to classify a muscle car when you can get supercharged Cadillacs and turbocharged cars all over the place. I mean you can get and average car today with over 400 hp thats just a standard driver. Back in the 60's and 70's it was the muscle cars that had the best and most poweful engines not the station wagons or Cadillacs. Myself even though you can get more powerful cars I consider the Camaro , Mustang and Challenger muscle cars with the V/8 engines of more then 350 hp in them muscle cars. They are nice cars and remind me of the good old days of the 60's and 70's. But I will take my old muscle car over the newer cars any day even if they dont drive as nice. Ron
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