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Old 07-18-2014, 04:02 PM
 
Location: plano
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Why would I pay for early retirement benefits and buy a less reliable vehicle from GM than any Asian maker? GM pays healthcare without contribution from older workers, is their car worth paying extra for this cost? Hell no
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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GM was dumb to get rid of Pontiac IMO. Its target audience was young first time buyers(as was Saturn) and without those they removed a huge chunk of the market.
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:05 PM
 
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Fleet sales are not a good indicator of the quality or appeal of a vehicle. Individuals shop for, and choose a vehicle from the selection available. Well at least most people do. Not Eddie1278 since his pool is defined by GM.

Avis doesn't shop for mid-size cars one by one. They buy 20K (or whatever the number is) at a special price directly from the manufacturer.

Yes it is still sales and revenue. But it is not as good an indicator of the brand's desirability. It helps an automaker keep the factories running.
Yep I'm the only loyal buyer of GM products me myself and I... keep telling yourself that and stop being jealous because people like a certain brand. Most people stick to brands that give them what they want...you do not and make up the minority. I buy same brand vehicles, toothpaste, laundry detergent, foods, clothes, sneakers I can go on and on. I try other stuff but always come back to the tried and true. I have been with Geico for almpost 12 years now in a row, Comcast forever and tons of other companies I have been loyal to. People like me are what keep businesses going. If everyone hopped around like you we wouldn't have any large companies.
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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Whether GM will survive in the long term is questionable...I personally doubt it, simply because they have a sort of collapse mentality engrained in their culture.

Regardless, you have to admire their ability to take a customer who comes in because his car has been recalled and turn that customer into a buyer of a new vehicle. That is where the sales 'pop' came from.

Walk in the door pizzed; walk out the door with a new buggy and four more years of car payments. That is a pretty good sales job IMHO.
They call that the "new puppy" sale....you drive in with your defective sled and they take you for a drive in a new car, which reminds you just how badly yours has deteriorated over the years. Then you fall in love with the new puppy. Hey, maybe these recalls are the only way GM can drive the traffic into the showroom, captive audience and all.
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Old 07-18-2014, 11:58 PM
 
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Chrysler was bailed out by Carter, another s#@&head that inhabited the White House. Of course Lee Iacocca was an honorable man, and paid the loan back early. Even the slugs in the UAW made concessions to keep their lazy inept butts working.
Real honorable of you to call any president a s#@&head. People that dish out that kind of language usually aren't the types that would ascend to an office like the presidency in the first place.

No matter the political flavor you prefer, have some basic respect.
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Old 07-19-2014, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Real honorable of you to call any president a s#@&head. People that dish out that kind of language usually aren't the types that would ascend to an office like the presidency in the first place.

No matter the political flavor you prefer, have some basic respect.
There will always be weak minded sheeple who ascribe to single party politics. They count on it, and the pundits profit from it.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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There will always be weak minded sheeple who ascribe to single party politics. They count on it, and the pundits profit from it.
To me it doesn't matter if people disagree politically, but it's the rhetoric and charged language toward someone they don't personally know simply because they disagree with the politics. Presidents don't just breeze into the White House, and none of them deserve the label of s#@&head.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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To me it doesn't matter if people disagree politically, but it's the rhetoric and charged language toward someone they don't personally know simply because they disagree with the politics. Presidents don't just breeze into the White House, and none of them deserve the label of s#@&head.
It's the same mentality that gets us the people we do have in Congress.
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Old 07-19-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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It's the same mentality that gets us the people we do have in Congress.
Very true. I guess people would rather vote in someone that will raise hell / point fingers than someone willing to work with the other side and do what is best for the nation as a whole.
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Old 07-19-2014, 07:42 PM
 
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Very true. I guess people would rather vote in someone that will raise hell / point fingers than someone willing to work with the other side and do what is best for the nation as a whole.
That will never happen.
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