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As of 2020, there are over a million EVs (Electric Vehicles) on the US road (Argonne National Laboratory, 2021). In fact, Edison Electric Institute projected that EV stock will reach 18.7 million by 2030 (Edison Electric Institute, 2018).Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles.
There is no way that in 20 years we are going to have 263.6 million registered BEV vehicles.
I've said this before, we can't BUILD enough EVs to cover just the number of cars in the US in the next 30 years. Can't be done, even if all manufacturers switched to only EV production overnight (which they aren't doing). Right now there are 17 million cars made each year. If every manufacturer switched to only producing EVs tomorrow, that's a fairly ambitious 15 years to make 263 million cars for the US. But since the Euro and states mandates for EV production doesn't kick in until 2030-2035 in most cases, they you can add 15 years onto that timeline. Which means it'd be 30 years before enough have been made to replace all the cars and trucks in the US. And even then it won't, as people will still have fairly new ICE cars as well as collector cars on hand.
Which is also why no manufacturer should be trying to build EVs that cover 100% of the use cases out there. Let the outliers continue on the way they are, with used ICE cars/trucks.
Let us use the average US rate per kWh of electricity $0.1054. You can substitute in your own rate. We'll assume you recharge once per day,
Example 1:Prius Prime (MSRP $28,220) plug in hybrid
$0.1054 per kWh x 8.8 kWh battery size = $0.9275 per charge x 365 days =$339 ($28.21 per month) maximum
25 miles per charge x 365 days = 9,125 miles. So if you drive more than that it depends if you recharge or use gasoline.
Gasoline for a Prius Prime is 190 gallons per 10,000 miles.So at $3 per gallon additional $570 per 10,000 miles.
Example 2:Tesla Model 3 Standard Range+(MSRP $37,990) entry level Tesla
$0.1054 per kWh x 50 kWh battery size = $5.27 per charge x 365 days =$1,924 per year maximum
263 miles per charge x 365 days = 95,995 miles. So if you actually drive 25,000 miles, then reduce the yearly cost by 25,000/95995= 26.04%
26.04% x $1,924 = $501 per year ($41.75 a month) or less than the Prius Prime if you include gasoline.
A Prius Prime has such a small battery that you can use a standard socket at your home. The Tesla will require you to upgrade your home electrical circuit.
The entry level Tesla, Model 3 Standard Range+, is a competitor to the Chevrolet Bolt. The Chevy Bolt may sell close to 100,000 vehicles this year, and is the only serious competitor to Tesla at this time. Tesla does not reveal the details of the units sold, so it is not clear if Tesla sells more Standard Range vehicles than Chevy Bolts. It seems that most Tesla shopper are puchasing higher performance units than the entry level.
Chevy Volt: EPA range: 259 miles range : Annual Fuel Cost* $550
Tesla Standard: 353 miles range: Annual Fuel Cost* $500
You can use a standard socket for a Tesla as well depending on how much range you need for your driving habits. The electric-only efficiency of the Prius Prime is actually lower than that of an entry level Tesla. The Prius Prime is 25 kWh/100 mile and the entry level Tesla is 24 kWh/100 mile despite the Tesla being the larger and faster vehicle. The Prius Prime's smaller battery does mean it takes less time to get a full charge, but I don't think that's the most sensible way of thinking about this. If your round trip commute is say the 25 miles of electric range that the Prius Prime has, then it doesn't matter that the Model 3 capacity is higher--your commute generally doesn't change based on the range of the vehicle you're driving. That being the case, if charging overnight on a standard socket works for covering your commute on the Prius Prime, then it also works for your entry level Model 3 since having more range doesn't mean that you then go ahead and extend your commute about by another 200 something miles.
You need a dedicated 40 AMP double breaker. For one car. Double that for 2 cars. And with some families with kids that have cars - triple that or more.
What AMP service do you have at home ? 100 AMP ?
Good Luck with those costs. Never seems to be mentioned in all this talk about costs.
200 AMP has been the standard for single family new construction for over 20 years now. Yes, there's plenty of 100 AMP still out there but if one were to add central air, electric stove or dryer, or a hot tub, an upgrade will be needed.
As for multiple cars, if they've bought one they understand what it takes to be able to charge them. Neat products out there are able to "share" an existing 240V circuit between two cars or a car and an appliance. When charging two cars, it splits the power until one car is fully charged and then dedicates all the power to the other. If an appliance and a car share the circuit, it will charge the car until the appliance demands the circuit and it gets full use.
For my wife and I, that would work. When she goes back to work, she'll be driving 40 miles round trip. I might drive 250-300 miles in a day when I get back on the road. We can both plug in and let the device do it's thing. Her car could charge in a couple of hours and I get the power the rest of the night.
I'd like to know how much it costs in electricity to charge a electric vehicle, especially for people who regularly use one for commuting, etc. v. how much you would be spending on gasoline instead.
i think it costs me around $100 a month (i put on somewhere around 2,000 miles per month). i dont really notice in my bill because my bill is generally high and its also very seasonal so you cant just compare month to month you need to compare this year vs last year and i cant see that usage on my utility companies website (only shows last 12 months).
You mean you pay 9.699 cents per kWh, or you pay $0.09699 per kWh. You have a decimal point out of place.
The average for the US is 10.54 cents per kWh.
Other states have the ability to adopt California’s standards through Section 177 of the Clean Air Act, hence why they are often called the Section 177 states. Currently there are nine states that have adopted California’s ZEV regulations (as well as low-emission vehicle regulations): Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont. Together with California, these states represent nearly 30 percent of new car sales in the United States.
Most of the Section 177 states have more expensive electricity prices (Oregon has cheap hydroelectric generation abilities so it is the exception)
Average price of residential electricity in cents per kWh
7.71 Louisiana
7.86 Oklahoma
7.89 Idaho
8.04 Washington
8.10 Wyoming
8.22 Arkansas
8.24 Utah
8.49 West Virginia
8.60 Texas
8.61 Kentucky
8.78 Nevada
8.81 Oregon
8.85 North Dakota
8.99 New Mexico
9.02 Montana
9.08 Iowa
9.08 Nebraska
9.28 Mississippi
9.45 North Carolina
9.52 Virginia
9.56 Illinois
9.58 Ohio
9.68 Missouri
9.69 Tennessee
9.81 Pennsylvania
9.83 Alabama
9.86 Georgia
9.91 Indiana
9.96 South Dakota
10.02 South Carolina
10.17 Colorado
10.26 Kansas
10.33 Minnesota
10.44 Florida
10.52 Arizona
10.52 Delaware
10.54 US average
10.66 Wisconsin
11.24 Maryland
11.56 Michigan
12.27 District of Columbia
13.42 New Jersey
14.04 Maine
14.34 New York
15.36 Vermont
16.89 California
17.15 New Hampshire
18.40 Massachusetts
18.49 Rhode Island
18.66 Connecticut
20.22 Alaska
28.72 Hawaii
Those are average rates for entire States. But within the State, cities or boroughs have different rates.
I've said this before, we can't BUILD enough EVs to cover just the number of cars in the US in the next 30 years.
I imagine you are correct and we may end up with half the number of private vehicles we have at present with much larger number of people using mass transit or self driving taxis.
Keep in mind that the US is going to lose millions of entry level unskilled jobs as automation takes over retail or food purchase jobs. So the number of people who cannot buy a car will be more like Mexico.
The believers point out that an electric vehicle has a simpler design than an ICE vehicle, so once battery prices go down, vehicles will be much cheaper. I am skeptical as I see no signs of manufacturers wanting to sell an EV cheaper than an ICE vehicle.
The most affordable BEV in the US right now is the Mini which has a severely limited range. Yet it is $3500 more than the ICE version of the same car, and Mini does not make an EV version of their smaller engine so it is $7500 more than the entry price.
2021 MINI PRICE STARTS AT:
$22,400 Hardtop 2 Door Cooper model. 134 HORSEPOWER (1.5 liter) Range: 360 miles
$26,400 Hardtop 2 Door Cooper S model. 189 HORSEPOWER (2.0 liter) Range: 348 miles
$29,900 Hardtop 2 Door Cooper SE model. 181 HORSEPOWER Range: 110 miles 3,153 lbs
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Those are average rates for entire States. But within the State, cities or boroughs have different rates.
Yes, I realize that you could pay between 8 and 20 cents per kWh somewhere in the Continental US. It is easier to show the OP how to do the calculation than it is to simply answer his question.
I imagine you are correct and we may end up with half the number of private vehicles we have at present with much larger number of people using mass transit or self driving taxis.
Keep in mind that the US is going to lose millions of entry level unskilled jobs as automation takes over retail or food purchase jobs. So the number of people who cannot buy a car will be more like Mexico.
The believers point out that an electric vehicle has a simpler design than an ICE vehicle, so once battery prices go down, vehicles will be much cheaper. I am skeptical as I see no signs of wanting to sell a cheaper vehicle.
The most affordable BEV right now is the Mini which has a severely limited range. Yet it is $2000 more than the ICE version of the same car, and Mini does not make an EV version of their smaller engine.
2021 MINI PRICE STARTS AT:
$22,900 Hardtop 2 Door Cooper model. 134 HORSEPOWER (1.5 liter) Range: 360 miles
$23,900 Hardtop 4 Door Cooper model. 134 HORSEPOWER (1.5 liter) Range: 360 miles
$26,900 Hardtop 2 Door Cooper S model. 189 HORSEPOWER (2.0 liter) Range: 348 miles
$27,900 Hardtop 4 Door Cooper S model. 189 HORSEPOWER (2.0 liter) Range: 348 miles
$29,900 Hardtop 4 Door Cooper SE model. 181 HORSEPOWER Range: 110 miles
The Bolt transactional prices (with the $9k discount from GM as well as holdbacks and other incentives from GM that reduce prices another few grand from that) are well under $25k for the 300 mile Bolt with 200 hp and 266 lb ft of torque. with the additional Costco member discount of $3000, I've seen the 2020s and even 2021s go for $19-20k out the door. Even well equipped 2021s can be had with no haggling or special "unavailable" discounts (military, first responder, college graduate, conquest bux, etc) can be had without the Costco discount for $24k:
(they have about 30 Bolts on hand, most are in this price range)
That's my typical range in my 2020 Bolt.
And yes, as battery costs come down, so do the car prices. The Bolt's battery pack cost GM $500/kWh when it came out in the end of 2016 for a total cost to GM of $30k for a 60kWh pack. Now the 2020 and 2021's 66kWh battery pack costs about $100/kWh for a total of $6600 for it's battery pack, and the current prices reflect that drop in costs (GM was losing a bit of money at $40k to start with and now can MAKE money at $20-25k).
200 AMP has been the standard for single family new construction for over 20 years now. Yes, there's plenty of 100 AMP still out there but if one were to add central air, electric stove or dryer, or a hot tub, an upgrade will be needed.
As for multiple cars, if they've bought one they understand what it takes to be able to charge them. Neat products out there are able to "share" an existing 240V circuit between two cars or a car and an appliance. When charging two cars, it splits the power until one car is fully charged and then dedicates all the power to the other. If an appliance and a car share the circuit, it will charge the car until the appliance demands the circuit and it gets full use.
For my wife and I, that would work. When she goes back to work, she'll be driving 40 miles round trip. I might drive 250-300 miles in a day when I get back on the road. We can both plug in and let the device do it's thing. Her car could charge in a couple of hours and I get the power the rest of the night.
Not everywhere is 200 amp standard, lots of places it’s only 100 amp most times 200 amp service is a upgrade at additional cost.
Charging EV can be very pricey if done at public places but it can also be free if you find some spots. I've mostly used free spots because I hate the Chargepoints that charge you like $18 just to charge only 40%.
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