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Old 01-02-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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Call me crazy, just throwing things out there

How feasible is it to have all public roads in snow areas to be heated. I'm talking heated enough to never allow snow to melt. And I'm talking about all public roads (including neighborhood roads) in major cities.

Most snow cities budget millions each year for just snow removal. Do a one time major investment and it will pay for itself in a few years. No more road repairs from snow/ice freezing and thawing cycle. No more snow plows, sand, salt, etc.

Power could come from solar and/or wind.

If not all streets it would make sense for highways, major thoroughfares, and airport runways
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Old 01-02-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Shady Drifter
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We are talking about the same cities that can't even fix potholes, right? And you want to make it even more complicated to maintain the roads?
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Old 01-02-2015, 10:27 PM
 
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Yeah it's a pipe dream but what the heck

Most of the potholes come from weakening from constant freezing and thawing. With heated roads it would eliminate that
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Old 01-02-2015, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Call me crazy, just throwing things out there

How feasible is it to have all public roads in snow areas to be heated. I'm talking heated enough to never allow snow to melt. And I'm talking about all public roads (including neighborhood roads) in major cities.

Most snow cities budget millions each year for just snow removal. Do a one time major investment and it will pay for itself in a few years. No more road repairs from snow/ice freezing and thawing cycle. No more snow plows, sand, salt, etc.

Power could come from solar and/or wind.

If not all streets it would make sense for highways, major thoroughfares, and airport runways
Ok...you're crazy. That would never happen because the cost would be insanely high to tear up the roads, place in heating coils, repave the roads, and then maintain them. It would take decades, possibly centuries, for it to pay off. It is a lot cheaper to buy more plows and de-icer and hire more drivers than it is to do this.
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Old 01-02-2015, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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My city is on top of a salt mine. I don't see them going for this idea. lol
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Old 01-02-2015, 11:12 PM
 
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A heated walkway is roughly ~35-50W per square foot. Your standard highway has 4 travel lanes, each 12ft wide. So 48ft wide. So to heat one mile of highway would be at least 8,870,400W of power consumption for as long as you need to run it to melt snow, which is likely many hours in a major storm. And that's ONE mile of ONE highway. Imagine the numbers you get trying to heat just the major roadways even in a heavily affected area like Buffalo.

It's completely infeasible and heating the roads in an area hit by a snowstorm would likely take more electricity than entire regions of the country use.

In addition, paving is cheap and this would be impossible to maintain. Considering the amount of electricity flowing through something like this, it'd also raise huge safety concerns in addition to the obvious impossibility of needing to rebuild the electric grid in the whole region to be able to supply the power.
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Old 01-02-2015, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Even if it were practical, no way the unions would allow those cushy jobs to go away.
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Old 01-02-2015, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Here and there....
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^^ Miller has it right. Regardless of the install costs, simply running it would be counterproductive.

Consider that it's only needed a fraction of the time. How long where you live? 3 months of the year? Less?
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Here's an idea that is insanely cheap. Learn to drive on snow and ice. Don't get in a hurry and then blame it on all of the other drivers.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:51 AM
 
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A heated walkway is roughly ~35-50W per square foot. Your standard highway has 4 travel lanes, each 12ft wide. So 48ft wide. So to heat one mile of highway would be at least 8,870,400W of power consumption for as long as you need to run it to melt snow, which is likely many hours in a major storm. And that's ONE mile of ONE highway. Imagine the numbers you get trying to heat just the major roadways even in a heavily affected area like Buffalo.

It's completely infeasible and heating the roads in an area hit by a snowstorm would likely take more electricity than entire regions of the country use.

In addition, paving is cheap and this would be impossible to maintain. Considering the amount of electricity flowing through something like this, it'd also raise huge safety concerns in addition to the obvious impossibility of needing to rebuild the electric grid in the whole region to be able to supply the power.
and just for the heck of it....

8,870,400W = 8870kWh

8870 * $0.12 = $1,064 to run it for one hour.

That said you could do it for about 1/3 the fuel cost with coal or natural gas using pex however your capital investment skyrockets.
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