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Old 05-19-2015, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady View Post
The signs that say "slower traffic keep right" do not mean, either, drive as fast as you want as long as you're in the left lane. The speed limit is the speed limit in all lanes, and if you think that people who are driving slower should obey the slower traffic keep right law, in order to avoid hypocrisy you have to think that people should not drive faster than the speed limit, as well.

So, do you? Or do you insist that if someone is driving the speed limit that they belong in the right lane?
Exceeding the speed limit is not inherently dangerous. In fact it is sometimes the more prudent course of action. Creating bottlenecks and unpredictable patterns at highway speeds is never safe and never the more prudent course of action. Proper lane discipline is safer for those being passed, those doing the passing, and everyone else on the highway. And that is true whether everyone is speeding or nobody is speeding. Do you get the difference yet, or do we need to go over this yet again?
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:50 AM
 
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If "slower traffic is any traffic going below the speed limit," then by your own reasoning, all traffic going below the speed limit should keep right.
Youre right, Anyone for example hauling something and they cant get up to speed, or theyre driving on a spare, or they have something wrong with their vehicle and it cant obtain the speed limit then yes they should stay in the right lane. That is what is meant by "slower traffic" not "youre not a leadfoot like i am".

And we dont all live in Texas (thank God).
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:51 AM
 
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Exceeding the speed limit is not inherently dangerous. In fact it is sometimes the more prudent course of action. Creating bottlenecks and unpredictable patterns at highway speeds is never safe and never the more prudent course of action. Proper lane discipline is safer for those being passed, those doing the passing, and everyone else on the highway. And that is true whether everyone is speeding or nobody is speeding. Do you get the difference yet, or do we need to go over this yet again?
Hey, lets just mandate governors on every single motor vehicle then it wont matter what lane youre in. or put pace cars out on the roads.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Shady Drifter
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Sorry, but you can't pick and choose which PARTS of the traffic code are applicable based on what you, personally, want to do.

If you want to speed, you're wanting to break the law. Speeding is part of the Texas Transportation Code. ALL parts of the Texas Transportation Code apply. If you find that a difficult concept to grasp, you shouldn't be driving a motorized vehicle on the public roadways (or possibly at all, because it's a pretty basic concept).

If you then insist that others OBEY the "keep right" part of the Texas Transportation Code because if they don't they are in your way of breaking the part of the Texas Transportation Code regarding speeding, then you're a flaming hypocrite who really only just wants your own way.
I'm really not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp. I didn't say that a person speeding isn't breaking the law. What I said, and the way the Texas law is set up, is that the person cruising in the left-hand lane is at fault and needs to move over regardless of the speed that someone else is doing. The fact that someone else is speeding is totally irrelevant to Texas law and moving over. They are mutually exclusive concepts.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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That second statute only applies to vehicles traveling at or below the speed limit, though. The way it reads, you can't be written for it if you're traveling faster than the posted limit. For what it's worth.
Where do you see that in the statute?
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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Actually, it does, in a way. All the other traffic laws are assumed to take the speed limit law into consideration, which is to say, for example, that, legally, not in "get the hell out of my way" land, slower traffic is any traffic going below the speed limit, by definition, because NO traffic should be going faster than the speed limit, wishful thinking that the law doesn't apply to you notwithstanding.
This misinterpretation is possible due to the signs saying "Slower Traffic Keep Right." The proper wording of these signs should be, "Keep Right Except to Pass." There's no way to misinterpret that.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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The keep right law and the impeding traffic law are two separate statutes in my state.

The keep right law is Title 29-A, §2052, Paragraph 6.
The impeding the flow of traffic law is in Title 29-A, §2075, Paragraph 1.


You can be cited for either one without violating the other. Impeding the flow of traffic does not mean "driving slower than the person behind you wants to go," either.
That's nice, but does not answer the question about data on how often police enforce either or both of those.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Maine
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This misinterpretation is possible due to the signs saying "Slower Traffic Keep Right." The proper wording of these signs should be, "Keep Right Except to Pass." There's no way to misinterpret that.
Chapter 2B - MUTCD 2009 Edition - FHWA

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01 The KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS (R4-16) sign (see Figure 2B-10) may be used on multi-lane roadways to direct drivers to stay in the right-hand lane except when they are passing another vehicle.
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03 The SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT (R4-3) sign (see Figure 2B-10) may be used on multi-lane roadways to reduce unnecessary lane changing.
The two signs serve similar, but slightly different purposes. Route one going from Bucksport, Maine to Ellsworth, Maine has a few uphill spots with climbing lanes that are actually posted with both. It's a major tourist route (on the way to Acadia National Park), so I guess they really wanted to get the point across.

I've had a few drivers take those signs too literally, as well. They were all Canadian, and driving very slowly in the right-hand lane (they were not truckers, but just driving normal cars, much more slowly than you would expect). I was naturally suspicious, so I slowed up a bit before passing, only to have them turn left across the left lane. If I hadn't had that inkling that something wasn't right, that could have been a very nasty wreck!

So just to point out to any Canadians coming to visit Maine; it's okay to go slow in the left lane if you are actually turning left. In fact, please do go slow in the left lane, with your left turn signal on, if you are going to turn left. It's "[slower traffic] keep right except to pass or turn left." The "or turn left" is not on the sign, but it is implied by common sense.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Is there data on how many obstruction tickets law enforcement wrote? When is the last time anyone saw a cop enforcing the left lane laws other than the oft posted youtube video?
Impeding traffic is one of their favorite tickets to write but since it's lumped in with idiots caught in the middle of intersections who knows. I know they write a lot of em on the 2 laner from Riverside to Vegas, as well they should.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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This misinterpretation is possible due to the signs saying "Slower Traffic Keep Right." The proper wording of these signs should be, "Keep Right Except to Pass." There's no way to misinterpret that.
Actually there is; a lot of people read it as "im passing. im passing everyone"
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