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No they don't. They don't say what you're going to get in an ICE car at WOT with the AC on in summer.
Using the a/c in modern ICE powered vehicles makes a negligible difference fuel economy, and the heater doesn’t affect it at all. That is not the case with an EV. People don’t drive around at WOT with an ICE car either, so that’s a bad comparison.
I’m sorry but advertising an EV saying it has a “250 mile range” is misleading when 90% of drivers will never realistically get that. The EPA needs to come up with a ‘winter’ and ‘summer’ range for EVs so buyers understand what they are buying into.
Well they better hope this new battery works out then, because I don’t think lithium-ion will get them there.
I still say the government needs to require that manufacturers display the ‘worst case’ range of EVs with the climate control running, alongside the maximum range. They already do this with city/highway ratings of ICE cars, so EVs shouldn’t be treated any different.
List it. The difference is overblown. People aren't running around in their Tesla's with the A/C off.
Well they better hope this new battery works out then, because I don’t think lithium-ion will get them there.
I still say the government needs to require that manufacturers display the ‘worst case’ range of EVs with the climate control running, alongside the maximum range. They already do this with city/highway ratings of ICE cars, so EVs shouldn’t be treated any different.
EVs go through the similar city/highway cycles for EPA rating as gas cars, and the Mulroney sticker on an EV posts the equivalent city/highway ratings as a ICE vehicle - ICE vehicles use actual numbers from the test, EVs use 0.7 factor to reduce actual results from testing to account for potential reduced range. One could argue that EVs are treated worse by reducing results not seen during tests.
The maximum range is a number from the EPA based on city/highway rating and battery recharge energy used (so accounts for charging inefficiencies). A similar figure for a gas car would be its range based on gals used to refill tank after accounting for loss such as evaporation, but this is not an EPA number that is required. EVs provide info NOT required of ICE vehicle so treated differently by posting MORE info and number used is accounting for losses.
Both cars have similar KW/100mi and Gal/100mi but estimated cost to fuel can be much higher than actual by significantly more for an EV vs an ICE. Recharging by solar or special electricity rates for an EV can cost next to nothing, gas is never close to no cost.
FWIW - ICE vehicles do get significantly reduced fuel economy in cold weather also
Cold weather and winter driving conditions can reduce your fuel economy significantly.
Fuel economy tests show that, in short-trip city driving, a conventional gasoline car's gas mileage is about 12% lower at 20°F than it would be at 77°F. It can drop as much as 22% for very short trips (3 to 4 miles).
The effect on hybrids is worse. Their fuel economy can drop about 31% to 34% under these conditions.
I think it's too soon for EV's to be viable. Weed strimmers is an excellent example of what's happening. EPA makes emissions stricter, so the engine sizes become smaller and smaller, now there's 4 stroke weed strimmers that require oil changes so they're more maintenance with less power. (This applies to cars too if you paid attention.)
They're trying to force people onto battery powered strimmers, but the batteries are expensive and only last 3-5 years where a gas powered 2 stroke strimmer lasts 10 years or longer. And the batteries cost more than the strimmer itself. How is that green when it creates more disposable planned obsolescent engineered fisher price looking crap?
The consumers should decide what they want, not Brussels, Paris, Kyoto, San Francisco, or Washington.
I think it's too soon for EV's to be viable. Weed strimmers is an excellent example of what's happening. EPA makes emissions stricter, so the engine sizes become smaller and smaller, now there's 4 stroke weed strimmers that require oil changes so they're more maintenance with less power. (This applies to cars too if you paid attention.)
They're trying to force people onto battery powered strimmers, but the batteries are expensive and only last 3-5 years where a gas powered 2 stroke strimmer lasts 10 years or longer. And the batteries cost more than the strimmer itself. How is that green when it creates more disposable planned obsolescent engineered fisher price looking crap?
The consumers should decide what they want, not Brussels, Paris, Kyoto, San Francisco, or Washington.
People should be able to have the option of being able to breath.
I've never seen a Tesla on the side of the road in Florida, where there are many. Seen lots of ICE vehicles stalled out though.
Maybe the reason you have never seen a Tesla on the side of the road in Florida is because they only make up a little over 1% of the vehicles sold in 2018, much less than that in prior years with most of the sales being in California.
Just as an added note, I never have seen one on the side of the road either.....or even on the road!
Again, being used to bring down overall MPG's for CAFE standards and to virtue signal they are "green". As others have said, maybe an application that makes sense in urban areas with very short ranges, and some infrastructure.
Don't get me wrong. Choices are good, but don't expect this to put any dent into sales of ICE Trucks. It's a novelty at best.
We'll see. Electric-driven pickups have the potential to offer significantly higher towing capacity and significantly faster acceleration, so there are real practical advantages, besides the greenness. The potential is there for them to have an impact with consumers who are open to new things.
Maybe the reason you have never seen a Tesla on the side of the road in Florida is because they only make up a little over 1% of the vehicles sold in 2018, much less than that in prior years with most of the sales being in California.
Just as an added note, I never have seen one on the side of the road either.....or even on the road!
This one in Florida was one of three that surrounded me at this stop light.
And then this one from the furthest point away by land from Florida shows they are used all over.
We'll see. Electric-driven pickups have the potential to offer significantly higher towing capacity and significantly faster acceleration, so there are real practical advantages, besides the greenness. The potential is there for them to have an impact with consumers who are open to new things.
I can’t imagine how fast the batteries would get depleted while towing a heavy trailer. ICE powered trucks guzzle gas while towing too, but at least with those you can refuel in 5 minutes.
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