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My point was that Fossil Fuel generates most of the electricity. Coal and Natural gas, which the EV cultists lump together with their disdain for "Big Oil". Even if you believe in Man causing "climate change", EV's are no better for the climate than an ICE vehicle, but it makes progressive cultists "feel" good about themselves.
So, now who is showing their ignorance?
I guess you are - because you lump everyone together and label as "cultists" that "feel good". Many have EVs for reasons other than being green but it is untrue that EVs no better than ICE. Also electric generation is less than 1% petroleum powered in the US, a very minor source.
I have 3 EVs but I don't disdain big oil and still think climate change is not settled science. But EVs are much better for the environment, here is the data from Forbes, includes manufacturing and electricity sources https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesel.../#3e454f7f76d2
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Electric vehicles as they currently stand are far less polluting than their combustion engine counterparts. As the technology becomes more mainstream, it is likely to become even more efficient and sustainable. Economies of scale will benefit EV manufacturing by providing better infrastructure, more efficient manufacturing techniques, recycling options and reduce the need for the mining of new materials. Electric vehicles are not a panacea but combined with greater deployment of renewables and the decarbonization of the electricity grid they offer a pathway to greatly reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
I guess you are - because you lump everyone together and label as "cultists" that "feel good". Many have EVs for reasons other than being green but it is untrue that EVs no better than ICE. Also electric generation is less than 1% petroleum powered in the US, a very minor source.
I have 3 EVs but I don't disdain big oil and still think climate change is not settled science. But EVs are much better for the environment, here is the data from Forbes, includes manufacturing and electricity sources https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesel.../#3e454f7f76d2
"Greenhouse gas emissions". That means CO2 which is NOT a pollutant, so when you consider that, EV's are not any better for the environment. That would mean that Climate Change is caused by Man's release of CO2 into the atmosphere. It's not. So your entire premise is FALSE.
"Greenhouse gas emissions". That means CO2 which is NOT a pollutant, so when you consider that, EV's are not any better for the environment. That would mean that Climate Change is caused by Man's release of CO2 into the atmosphere. It's not. So your entire premise is FALSE.
CO2 is not toxic, but it is an important greenhouse gas, the greenhouse effect is real, greenhouse gas levels, CO2 in particular have been increasing steadily over the past century or more and are both correlated to and causitive of the rising temperatures, and the principle reason for their rise is the effects of man's activities. I knew that over 30 years ago when my colleagues in grad school were going to Anarctica to collect ice cores for analysis of the entrapped gases. Every major scientific society has endorsed these interpretations, already long ago.
This whole thread is funny , ICE keep America running EV will not be able to keep America going in our lifetime. Diesel is king of the road with ICE right behind it to keep America stocked up with what American people must have to survive. A train can only go so far.
This whole thread is funny , ICE keep America running EV will not be able to keep America going in our lifetime. Diesel is king of the road with ICE right behind it to keep America stocked up with what American people must have to survive. A train can only go so far.
Actually, more people have Gasoline ICE vehicles. due to superiority in our climate and general efficiency. Gasoline vehicles are definitely king right now. Hybrids will surely take over in the coming years.... leaving the roadmap for EVs as technology improves.
Manufacturers get this and that's why they're all jumping onboard (with the exception of Mazda). It seems like you are stuck in the 80s.
Actually, more people have Gasoline ICE vehicles. due to superiority in our climate and general efficiency. Gasoline vehicles are definitely king right now. Hybrids will surely take over in the coming years.... leaving the roadmap for EVs as technology improves.
Manufacturers get this and that's why they're all jumping onboard (with the exception of Mazda). It seems like you are stuck in the 80s.
But when it comes to getting products from the manufacturer to your local market Diesel is and will be the one to do it, a electric semi truck will not have the the same distance to make multiple stops a day when you’re talking a couple hundred miles per stop. Just hauling a 45 empty trailer wou not even get a EV semi to do the job imagine when it’s filled with 60,000 lbd of products the distance it will go. That’s why ice box trucks and diesel semi trucks are still king and going to be awful heard to dethrone. And if it were not for a diesel semi truck you would not have your ice vehicles because that semi truck delivers the parts to the assembly plant to make those ice vehicles.
But when it comes to getting products from the manufacturer to your local market Diesel is and will be the one to do it, a electric semi truck will not have the the same distance to make multiple stops a day when you’re talking a couple hundred miles per stop. Just hauling a 45 empty trailer wou not even get a EV semi to do the job imagine when it’s filled with 60,000 lbd of products the distance it will go. That’s why ice box trucks and diesel semi trucks are still king and going to be awful heard to dethrone.
I agree that today there's no replacement for diesel trucks. And there are legitimate technical challenges in long range towing for electric motor trucks. But, these are still early days in EVs and people are working hard on developing electric trucks as well. Probably the diesels will still hold the upper hand for awhile. But in 10 years? even 20 years? It could be a different story. The first commercial electric trucks should be released in the next year or two. Give them another development cycle or two to improve, and I think it could be a different picture than today. Remember, operating cost, maintenance cost and uptime favor electric trucks. Those are powerful drivers of adoption for commercial vehicles.
But when it comes to getting products from the manufacturer to your local market Diesel is and will be the one to do it, a electric semi truck will not have the the same distance to make multiple stops a day when you’re talking a couple hundred miles per stop. Just hauling a 45 empty trailer wou not even get a EV semi to do the job imagine when it’s filled with 60,000 lbd of products the distance it will go. That’s why ice box trucks and diesel semi trucks are still king and going to be awful heard to dethrone. And if it were not for a diesel semi truck you would not have your ice vehicles because that semi truck delivers the parts to the assembly plant to make those ice vehicles.
I don’t imagine EVs presenting a real challenge to diesel when it comes to long-distance freight for at least another several years. EVs are credible contenders for several market segments of passenger vehicles today and the number of passenger vehicle market segments where that’s true is likely to steadily expand.
I don’t imagine EVs presenting a real challenge to diesel when it comes to long-distance freight for at least another several years. EVs are credible contenders for several market segments of passenger vehicles today and the number of passenger vehicle market segments where that’s true is likely to steadily expand.
Long distance freight is best served on trains, and trains, even diesel ones, are powered by electric motors. The electric motors have the torque to pull the loads. If EV truck makers can solve the batery issues, EV trucks will end up taking over.
Though I predict it will be for short range trucking for quite a while (freight depot to delivery point).
But when it comes to getting products from the manufacturer to your local market Diesel is and will be the one to do it, a electric semi truck will not have the the same distance to make multiple stops a day when you’re talking a couple hundred miles per stop. Just hauling a 45 empty trailer wou not even get a EV semi to do the job imagine when it’s filled with 60,000 lbd of products the distance it will go. That’s why ice box trucks and diesel semi trucks are still king and going to be awful heard to dethrone. And if it were not for a diesel semi truck you would not have your ice vehicles because that semi truck delivers the parts to the assembly plant to make those ice vehicles.
No one here but you is talking about freight. This is a general discussion about vehicles... Not a discussion about niche industries.
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