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Old 10-31-2020, 10:46 AM
 
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Do you really think that a new little pickup that’s only $4000 is really going to make the safety standards for the American market. Just look at what happened to the Yugo, it was the worst car in American history.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ar-in-history/

This. I had a 1987 Mitsubishi pickup until a couple of years ago and driving it made me acutely aware of how far safety features have progressed. No airbags, no ABS, the doors were paper thin, and the steering column was a giant spear waiting to impale the driver in the event of a minor accident. The same truck with modern safety features would probably be north of $12K.
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Old 11-02-2020, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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As to safety, if you are referring to all the modern electronics that basically try to be an auto pilot system so you can play with your cell phone.... Well you arent going to get them on a $4000 truck. But this would be as safe as smaller cars from 80s and 90s.

No, we're talking about vehicles that pass the modern crash tests. Barrier tests, roof crush tests, side impact tests, small overlap frontal crash tests. And multiple airbags to protect occupants. Cars from the '80s and '90s won't pass those either, which is why they don't SELL cars from the '80s and '90s as new cars now.


Sorry, just not gonna happen.
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Old 11-02-2020, 08:42 AM
 
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No, we're talking about vehicles that pass the modern crash tests. Barrier tests, roof crush tests, side impact tests, small overlap frontal crash tests. And multiple airbags to protect occupants. Cars from the '80s and '90s won't pass those either, which is why they don't SELL cars from the '80s and '90s as new cars now.


Sorry, just not gonna happen.

Sorry but if you arent going to pay wages that can afford your super safe cars (they still come nowhere to safety of pro racing cars) then only the wealthy will drive. Hope you have a plan for that. Do you want the poor to only own a Schwinn? Do you think bicycle is safer than a car? How about a moped? A motorcycle? Cause that will be what people are forced to use for transportation cause they are only allowed to drive ultra "safe" cars that cost as much as a house.
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Old 11-02-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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So much for safety standards, seems the little Chinese trucks been sold in USA for some time FOR ROAD use. You are just limited to 45mph so no freeway driving. Not sure if that is on purpose due to crash worthiness or cause of tiny engine and gearing necessary for that engine to push truck around.


https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/b...222672817.html


So guess still be ok if you lived in rural area and only needed it for local use. Ad didnt mention actual size of engine.
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Old 11-02-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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Vehicle Specifications - Tiger Truck Industries InternationalTiger Truck Industries International

Distributed out of Poteau, OK.

Its a 1.2L engine (60hp) and 5.29 rear axle. Weighs 2300 to 2500 pound, about like those Japanese mini trucks in 70s and 80s. Having owned a WWII Willys Jeep, I get the speed limitations, they really didnt go over 40mph and had similar axle ratio.

They seem to made these first and foremost for cargo carrying would assume you got axle ratio down around 4.11 or so and with 5spd it could do 60mph comfortably. Depend on handling too. Might need sway bars added. Having driven those small pickups from 70s, telling you, really dont want to go much past 65. They werent made for speed.
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Old 11-02-2020, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sorry but if you arent going to pay wages that can afford your super safe cars (they still come nowhere to safety of pro racing cars) then only the wealthy will drive.

The people that don't want to pay a living wage are not the same people that want safe cars. You should know that already.



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Hope you have a plan for that.

They do, it's called raising the minimum wage and having healthcare that doens't cost an arm and a leg. you could afford safe cars if you don't have to pay a lot of healthcare and are making a decent wage.



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only allowed to drive ultra "safe" cars that cost as much as a house.

My ultra safe car costs me $25k. Where's that house that costs the same as that? It also only costs me $250/mo to own it. Where's the house that rents for that little? Modern ultra safe cars that pass all those tests can be has for under $150 a month. That's a cell phone bill even for poor folks.


Knock off the hyperbole and learn something.
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Old 11-02-2020, 01:17 PM
 
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They do, it's called raising the minimum wage and having healthcare that doens't cost an arm and a leg. you could afford safe cars if you don't have to pay a lot of healthcare and are making a decent wage.


Or states and the federal government could lower taxes so people would have more disposable income.
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Old 11-02-2020, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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Still waiting for the Rivian...

(As sen on Netflix...)
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Old 11-02-2020, 03:00 PM
 
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They do, it's called raising the minimum wage and having healthcare that doens't cost an arm and a leg. you could afford safe cars if you don't have to pay a lot of healthcare and are making a decent wage.
Raising the minimum wage, and paying health care at the level so many want, would be the biggest job destroyer possible. A lot of businesses, especially mom and pop businesses would be put out of business right and left.

Even the big boys, are going under.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/25/list...cy-in-220.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...19/3090235001/

https://www.fool.com/slideshow/these...2020/?slide=21

Raise the minimum wage, and this list will grow like crazy. And remember this is just retail businesses. There are many types of businesses that pay low, and will close if minimum wage and health care are raised to the point so many want.
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Old 11-02-2020, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Or states and the federal government could lower taxes so people would have more disposable income.
You want functioning roads, infrastructure and fire/police? Working public schools? You're gonna pay taxes. We need to raise effective taxes on the richer folks that find ways to get away with paying very little in taxes as it is. Looking at the states that do reduce taxes, are they seeing a substantially higher standard of living?


Remember, poor people don't pay any federal taxes. When I was making under $20k a year I certainly didn't have to pay federal income tax... So it's not taxes that are keeping people poor. Middle income people like myself pay a bunch in taxes, but have no problem paying for a house AND a safe new car. So it's not taxes that are holding ME back from having a safe car, either.
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