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Old 01-24-2021, 01:50 PM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler View Post
People didn't move to gas cars, because they ran out of hay for the horses.


It'll probably be by some time in 2023 when the US sees at least 10% new vehicle market share for plug-ins. I'm guessing we'll see majority by some time in 2028. Of course, because the median age of the US's car fleet is nearing 12 years old, it'll probably be a couple of decades before the majority of vehicles in the US are plug-ins.
Can anyone really envision the US being 'early adopters' for electric vehicles? For their mainstreaming, anyway

 
Old 01-24-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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If you believe that I have a bridge for sale
Oh, you mean they are legally binding. Yeah to a degree they are, they are limited as well.
Then don't worry about what I say.
I didn't say anything about legally binding. There's a reason why the term "federal" is in the name of the warranty. Because it's government enforced. It's been like that for decades.

When you say limited, yes. If you don't change your oil, ever, the warranty will not cover issues. However, as long as you follow standard maintenance, you are in the clear.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 01:57 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Can anyone really envision the US being 'early adopters' for electric vehicles? For their mainstreaming, anyway

We are in no way, form, or shape early adopters of EVs among developed countries. There are multiple countries that were in double-digit new vehicle market share for plugins last year and the US was at about 2% I don't think the US will hit double-digits new vehicle market share for plugins until some time in 2023. Despite that, the US is still a major market for EVs currently as we are a very populous developed country with a lot of people who own cars.

We'll be earlier than most developing countries though as most developing countries have huge amounts of their fleets being imported used cars from developed countries.

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Old 01-24-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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Okay... but we're talking about Lithium batteries here. Not rhodium batteries...
It's not the rarity of lithium it's the refining it into it's metallic form.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 01:59 PM
 
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It's not the rarity of lithium it's the refining it into it's metallic form.
Exactly. Which is why your claim of rarity is unfounded. We've always found better ways to refine metals.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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It's not the rarity of lithium it's the refining it into it's metallic form.
Have you heard of aluminum? It used to be the most difficult metal to refine... and now it's used everywhere.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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I didn't say anything about legally binding. There's a reason why the term "federal" is in the name of the warranty. Because it's government enforced. It's been like that for decades.
How is it enforced?
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When you say limited, yes. If you don't change your oil, ever, the warranty will not cover issues. However, as long as you follow standard maintenance, you are in the clear.
So a warranty covers normal wear and tear?
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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A used Leaf makes a great inexpensive second or third car. My daughter has had one now for several years and she has had no issues with it. Although its range is now degraded, it's still enough for most urban trips.

The best thing about it is no petrol ever! She just plugs it in when she gets home, just like a cellphone.

You can easily find them for less than $6K

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...owest&zc=80918
I just can't trust EVs with such low range. That pricing is interesting, however.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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How is it enforced?

So a warranty covers normal wear and tear?
The warranty only comes into play when a part fails. Normal wear and tear doesn't cause a part to fail. I suggest you read a warranty manual if you choose to purchase a car.

Warranties are enforced by the state ombudsman. It's unusual for it to go that far, however. Manufacturers stand by their warranties because their brand is very important.
 
Old 01-24-2021, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Electric Vehicles Close to ‘Tipping Point’ of Mass Adoption

Starting to look that way. No, it won't be 100% and ICE motors won't be extinct. But the train has left the station and it ain't coming back; automakers are just about fully invested in EV's now.

"Global sales rose 43% in 2020, but even faster growth is anticipated when continuing falls in battery prices bring the price of electric cars dipping below that of equivalent petrol and diesel models, even without subsidies. The latest analyses forecast that to happen some time between 2023 and 2025."

When "peak oil" happens it won't be due to declining production, it'll be from declining demand.
Personal transportation accounts for a small fraction of global oil consumption. We'll still need and use lots of it even if the entire automotive fleet goes electric.


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I don't think so yet. Because the $25k CUV EV has yet to appear. Which Tesla could be announcing. The only thing is we just don't have the infrastructure yet to support 100k EVs on the road each state yet. It will likely cause blackouts in many cities.
It doesn't have to be a $25K CUV to get significant market penetration. For one the average new car transaction is about 10 grand higher than that already. For another, the initial transaction cost of EVs can be a little higher compared to an equivalent ICE vehicle if the automotive marketing teams can successfully explain the overall lower ownership/operating costs of an EV.

Any more the price of EVs isn't the main barrier to entry, it's a) relatively low production volume to date (though that's changing), b) lack of charging infrastructure (which is also changing), and c) range anxiety, which also seems to go away once someone actually drives one for a few weeks.
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