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Old 09-02-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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You are not drawing on enough climate history. You really need to take in the climate history of many hundreds of centuries, not just recorded history for the past 100 years. 100 years is barely a blip on the timeline.
It's adorable that you don't know we already have that.

 
Old 09-02-2022, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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You are not drawing on enough climate history. You really need to take in the climate history of many hundreds of centuries, not just recorded history for the past 100 years. 100 years is barely a blip on the timeline.
The earth is warming. You only need to look at the data to see that - it's very clear. That warming has been having unmistakable effects on our natural world - whether it's coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef, or the warm water species Black Sea Bass becoming increasingly common in the Gulf of Maine, or the ice melting in Greenland - it's clear that there are big changes underway, now.

As far as what's driving it, if you look at this plot, it becomes very clear:


The above plot spans 140 years. If it were just a few years, one might argue that this is just a chance correlation. But with 140 data points, the probability that this is due to chance, is exceedingly small. And, moreover, this data observation is supported by a clear mechanism - the greenhouse effect isn't some wild idea, it's a well understood natural phenomenon. And the rise in CO2 of course corresponds to the rise of industrialization and the large scale burning of coal, oil and gas to power engines for transportation and manufacturing as well as electrical power plants.



Here is the statement on Climate Change from the American Physical Society. Every major scientific organization has put out a similar statement.
 
Old 09-02-2022, 02:25 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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1) Take care of the heavy hitters, (it's not mandatory personal vehicle trips), optional trips can be dis-incentized.
2) Force conservation
3) Develop (and possibly mandate) an energy policy that supports economic growth and minimizes fossil fuel use (that's easy, we once were headed that direction (in the 1950's))
4) Create an energy 'consiousness' in all residents / learner's
5) NEVER subsidize in industries /' technologies that sell to the public. (Prices just reflect the subsidies... and it RUINS innovation / sustainable product development and pricing.)

Life in an environmentally friendly (?) world could be SO EASY. (Free of vultures and sharks... (subsidy chasers)) I could (and should) have happened in 1973. With current 'know-it-alls' (who know little) and polarized populace and legislature, it will never happen.

Enjoy the show.

It's all show. (so sad)
 
Old 09-05-2022, 06:21 PM
 
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The earth is warming. You only need to look at the data to see that - it's very clear. That warming has been having unmistakable effects on our natural world - whether it's coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef, or the warm water species Black Sea Bass becoming increasingly common in the Gulf of Maine, or the ice melting in Greenland - it's clear that there are big changes underway, now.

As far as what's driving it, if you look at this plot, it becomes very clear:


The above plot spans 140 years. If it were just a few years, one might argue that this is just a chance correlation. But with 140 data points, the probability that this is due to chance, is exceedingly small. And, moreover, this data observation is supported by a clear mechanism - the greenhouse effect isn't some wild idea, it's a well understood natural phenomenon. And the rise in CO2 of course corresponds to the rise of industrialization and the large scale burning of coal, oil and gas to power engines for transportation and manufacturing as well as electrical power plants.



Here is the statement on Climate Change from the American Physical Society. Every major scientific organization has put out a similar statement.
The only way to really correct this, is to stop mass deforestation, and some how, reduce the planets population by a few billion, or more people.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 07:39 AM
 
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As far as what's driving it, if you look at this plot, it becomes very clear:

The above plot spans 140 years. If it were just a few years, one might argue that this is just a chance correlation. But with 140 data points, the probability that this is due to chance, is exceedingly small. And, moreover, this data observation is supported by a clear mechanism - the greenhouse effect isn't some wild idea, it's a well understood natural phenomenon.
It is obvious that rising temperatures are related to increased CO2 concentrations. But which is the Cause and which is the Effect? Don't answer that is rhetorical. No one knows that answer. Scientific organizations pretend to know because their continued funding depends on it. The science business is every bit as corrupt as big energy. In truth, Earth's climate has varied greatly over time and we don't really understand why.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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Originally Posted by OutdoorLover View Post
The earth is warming. You only need to look at the data to see that - it's very clear. That warming has been having unmistakable effects on our natural world - whether it's coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef, or the warm water species Black Sea Bass becoming increasingly common in the Gulf of Maine, or the ice melting in Greenland - it's clear that there are big changes underway, now.

As far as what's driving it, if you look at this plot, it becomes very clear:


The above plot spans 140 years. If it were just a few years, one might argue that this is just a chance correlation. But with 140 data points, the probability that this is due to chance, is exceedingly small. And, moreover, this data observation is supported by a clear mechanism - the greenhouse effect isn't some wild idea, it's a well understood natural phenomenon. And the rise in CO2 of course corresponds to the rise of industrialization and the large scale burning of coal, oil and gas to power engines for transportation and manufacturing as well as electrical power plants.



Here is the statement on Climate Change from the American Physical Society. Every major scientific organization has put out a similar statement.

tempered with: reality.....https://everythingclimate.wpcomstagi...ate-emergency/
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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LOL - what is it exactly that you dispute? The visual device used in that article makes the distinction appear smaller, but referencing to 0F doesn't make any particular sense - the global average temperature has never been 0F and hopefully never will be. Moreover, you might think you get some rhetorical leverage with that plot, but as I said, the *results* of these temperature changes are already large and clear., and of course will only get more severe over the coming decades as warming increases. You don't need a 50F temperature difference to make a big change in the world - if that's what you and that author are trying to imply. The information from scientists the world over *is* the real world.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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LOL - what is it exactly that you dispute? The visual device used in that article makes the distinction appear smaller, but referencing to 0F doesn't make any particular sense - the global average temperature has never been 0F and hopefully never will be. Moreover, you might think you get some rhetorical leverage with that plot, but as I said, the *results* of these temperature changes are already large and clear., and of course will only get more severe over the coming decades as warming increases. You don't need a 50F temperature difference to make a big change in the world - if that's what you and that author are trying to imply. The information from scientists the world over *is* the real world.

Im not really disputing anything, in the narrow range when anyone tried to measure anything its a blip that we have no way of quantifying, other than to disrupt the globe for other reasons - based mostly on globalist control follow the money.



at the same time, READ the website I linked in


there is no damn good reason why people should be blind lemmings (wasnt he a blues guitarist?) but they are, because it makes them feel superior in some way to wallow in confirmation bias.


keep in mind tho, we are midway thru the 3rd quadrant of polar procession. in a relatively short time, my house will (once again) be buried under a half mile of ice and snow. regardless. (that is also covered at the link)
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