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lol and we do. its why these threads are all over the net with 10x more complaints than praise (granted this is not an 'auto board' by any stretch of the imagination). log into allpar (mopar stuff) or TN one day for S&Gs Its why cvt resale is like what, half that of shifting cars? just try GIVING away a stellantis compass. there's 30G down the crapper...
As to Honda transmissions, if you are going to pick on their CVT's, then why don't we look at the failure rate for the ~98 Accord and the same era Acura transmissions. They were known to be a weak link.
As to Honda transmissions, if you are going to pick on their CVT's, then why don't we look at the failure rate for the ~98 Accord and the same era Acura transmissions. They were known to be a weak link.
sure, this 25 years ago puts it in the range of the aforementioned AX series - long since razor blades
lol and we do. its why these threads are all over the net with 10x more complaints than praise (granted this is not an 'auto board' by any stretch of the imagination). log into allpar (mopar stuff) or TN one day for S&Gs Its why cvt resale is like what, half that of shifting cars? just try GIVING away a stellantis compass. there's 30G down the crapper...
obviously there are going to be personal preferences, but there are no long term success stories outside of noise. we as a nation STILL trade them in from new in 30-40K, about half the distance to a failure which is mileage based, not year. And we as a nation still only keep cars just over 55K for any service life.
goto copart....look how many none to lightly damaged nissans are in there because the tranny sword of damocles put it in the yard. (CVT subies are another whose normal resale value plummets when a cvt is installed)
I wasn't aware of that and I don't know if there are any official figures to look at failure rates. The volume at which they are made is large and I doubt people are discarding the cars after a few years. They just started making them in 2013, not a long ago. Those are new cars (by my standard). Do people simply put in new CVTs then? I doubt there is a rebuild, due to complexity.
Toyota stayed with conventional automatics in RAV4s and Camrys, but I don't think those 8 or 10 speed ones are going to be less of an issue down the road.
I guess Toyota eCVT is the best approach then.
I wasn't aware of that and I don't know if there are any official figures to look at failure rates. The volume at which they are made is large and I doubt people are discarding the cars after a few years. They just started making them in 2013, not a long ago. Those are new cars (by my standard). Do people simply put in new CVTs then? I doubt there is a rebuild, due to complexity.
Toyota stayed with conventional automatics in RAV4s and Camrys, but I don't think those 8 or 10 speed ones are going to be less of an issue down the road.
I guess Toyota eCVT is the best approach then.
The reason that you weren't aware of that is because it's not an accurate characterization.
The reason that you weren't aware of that is because it's not an accurate characterization.
That whole wall of text was fabrication. It’s pointless to bother correcting all the assertions that were totally false.
Some truths:
Early JATCO CVT transmissions were a disaster and tainted the technology
A CVT is awful in an underpowered car. You put your foot to the floor. It makes a lot of noise but nothing happens. It’s like a 200 pound guy riding a 50cc mini bike like an old Honda mini trail with an automatic clutch.
They must be cheaper for manufacturer, but appear no cheaper to repair...
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Check back in 50 yrs and report on the reliability of your CVT, especially if it is in heavy duty service.
I don't think those are the problems CVT attempts to solve.
The problem CVT attempts to solve is MPG. Ever increasing MPG standards.
CVTs have the theoretical advantage that the driver can keep the engine near optimal RPMs for normal acceleration during daily driving and also near optimal RPMs for constant speed during daily driving.
And in general CVTs weigh a bit less than more conventional transmissions; shaving pounds ultimately helps MPG.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about costs to manufacture.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about the impact on vehicle price.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about the maintenance costs.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about the resale value.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about CVT durability.
Regulators in Washington DC don't care about Total Cost of Ownership.
Regulators in Washington DC care about MPG.
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If we look at reliable brands, known for longevity and high mileage, they all introduced CVTs but some were more aggressive. I'm sure they know that CVTs are best suited for smaller vehicles.
Honda
2013 - Accord
2014 - Civic
2015 - CRV
Toyota
2014 - Corolla
Camry and RAV4 have never used CVTs. ..
Subaru also started using them in 2014.
To OP's original question, it seems that there were notably more problems with earlier CVT's than found today.
It's likely they're just about on par durability wise with a conventional automatic anymore.
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