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As to Honda transmissions, if you are going to pick on their CVT's, then why don't we look at the failure rate for the ~98 Accord and the same era Acura transmissions. They were known to be a weak link.
I had a 2002 Acura TL. It went through three 5-speed automatic transmissions in 50k miles. Fortunately, they were under warranty.
"..Generally speaking, CVTs are similarly reliable as traditional automatic transmissions. Some are of the opinion that their application is better suited for smaller vehicles. Available evidence collected over the years shows that cars using CVTs don’t experience poor reliability despite the misconceptions. However, those misconceptions aren’t totally unfounded because they are a few well-known examples of reliability issues, particularly in earlier models equipped with CVTs..."
I agree that that website says that. Fer sure. it even says
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However, those misconceptions aren’t totally unfounded because they are a few well-known examples of reliability issues, particularly in earlier models equipped with CVTs.
But to them, 'earlier models' means anything made before 2020.
so I also agree that juuuuust before 2020, and the plague, all THOSE models are considered suspect and indeed, those models range from second service life to 3rd.
And while the year and a half old article tells us the new stuff is gonna be wonderful, it has, on us average 20-30K miles on them. IS that a lot? If that is 'proof' then that is proof, but Im gonna point once again to 2018 jeep and nissan models, specifically 2 models that WERE once in the top 25 US sales in 2018...until.......using real world data here, not future speculation... a 2018 model, with a typical US car loan, is just about to pay off....should you still own it.
so far in this thread we have picked on exactly 3 models...the stellantis, the nissan, and the honda. While that specific honda is now in its 10th year (and we are told to avoid it - their words not mine), the stellantis and nissan models are in their 5th year...
How did jeep fix the cvt issues in the old patriot? They replaced the cvt with a hyundai 6spd auto.
again, if that is warm fuzzies, go for it...I insist. I have no skin in the game and closed the shop (and so did every other tranny shop near my zip code but *4* - that should handle the load ;-)
ps: in case you have one of the nissans - any model, any year:
I bought a 2014 Subaru Forester new, still have it. The CVT was replaced at about 60,000 at no cost to me. They knew they had a problem.
Subarus have had issues with quite a few things, so you won't even notice CVT problems. Until recently, it was just common sense that you have to have a head gasket job at 100K. To be fair, Hondas needed timing belt package at the same time. Just changing spark plugs is a major production on those, I heard. They have a smidge better AWD within the class (CRV/RAV4) but that's of no use if you get stranded somewhere, due to some engine problem. Perhaps the newer gens are better.
At least they make functional hatchbacks like Imprezas, unlike others. Outbacks and Foresters used to be good station wagons, but now they are just elongated CUVs (basically extended CRV or RAV4).
"Expensive, that's what makes Subaru a Subaru"
"Inexpensive and built to stay that way" used to be their motto. We have a '97 Legacy that fits this description.
My wife just got a new Crosstrek. Pretty nice!
Not so sure if it will still be worth keeping around in 26 years, but then I'm not likely to be alive and/or driving then either.
Yes, I forgot about Legacy. A great car and ideal wagon dimensions. I drove a sedan version from a few years back. Great looks and AWD.
I just bought a NV200 work van with a CVT. We'll see how it goes. 95k miles but the CVT was replaced at 79k. I plan to drain and fill the fluid once a year.
I've been looking at the boxer 6 cylinder Subaru Outbacks and the CVT in those has a lot of bad feedback on youtube and edmunds. Though many reviewers cite the fact that a torque converter isnt that much more costly then a clutch replacement for a manual gearbox.
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