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Old 09-13-2023, 11:54 AM
 
Location: The Disputed Lands
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Unions are essentially bullies that use the blue collar workers as pawns. Automakers have the govt pushing their ideas on safety/fuel economy and the engineers need to make better cars/but also better looking so they will sell then the workers all want 32 hour weeks and oh yeah 40% pay increases? Helllllllllllloooooo Mexico!

I rented a brand new Ford Expedition SUV back in January. This was loaded and it had 500 miles on it when we picked it up. The front seat leather looked like it was a Chinese leather retrofit kit, stitches were crooked/loose thread sticking up. The piping on the seat was wavy like it wasn't pulled tight when they slid it over the seat back.

If that is what the seats look like, imagine all the stuff you can't see!
This seat may have been repaired, with a replaced seat cover. Or possibly the cover was removed and cleaned. With rental cars you never know the past history. Maybe someone crapped in the seat? It's unlikely that car left the factory with a seat like that. It could have had a bad seat that needed repair from the plant, but Ford maybe sold it to the rental company that way (gave them a deal with full transparency) instead of parking it and waiting for a replacement seat (rental fleets have been desperate to buy new vehicles since they sold off so many during the pandemic) and the rental company fixed the seat maybe with a cheap aftermarket trim cover. You just never know.

At any time there are many vehicles awaiting repair at the plant that got impounded as unfit for sale until they are repaired. They may sit there for a long time degrading over time, as an asset they cannot sell, so I can see that they may be sold to fleets "as is" for a straightforward repair and Hertz or whomever does the repairs. The car business is crazy sometimes.

If it did leave the factory with a poor quality seat, this truck was assembled in Louisville, KY but who knows where the seat was made. Certainly it was made by an outside supplier, probably more local to that area since seats are large and expensive to ship, and not made by Ford. But the UAW people who assemble it should have caught the poor quality of the seat and flagged it to be fixed before it left the plant. I would think something as obvious as this would have been detected.

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Old 09-13-2023, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Exactly. They'll just start moving more factories to Mexico. In the end this will wreck Michigan's economy, and then everyone will play dumb like they can't figure out why it happened.
Yellow truck went out of business because of bad business decisions they bought out many other less than a load trucking companies and their debts.

Financial analysts traced the company's persistent financial woes to acquisition-related debt, the high cost of operating disparate companies and low shipping rates that depressed revenue and the high cost of diesel fuel. It wasn’t all the teamsters fault. I’m sure the CEO, had a golden parachute also.
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Old 09-13-2023, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Guess your to young to remember all that was given back around 2009

https://www.reuters.com/article/auto...15601120100613
On the contrary, I'm old enough to remember when the labor unions were put in line in front of secured creditors, and the former were made major shareholders of GM and Chrysler while the secured creditors were told to take their "secured" claims and shove it. They made out better than just about anyone.
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Old 09-14-2023, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I hear GM management is going to get tough with the union THIS TIME. They aren't going to give them anything they don't ask for. Government Motors was known as Generous Motors for decades.
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Old 09-14-2023, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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On the contrary, I'm old enough to remember when the labor unions were put in line in front of secured creditors, and the former were made major shareholders of GM and Chrysler while the secured creditors were told to take their "secured" claims and shove it. They made out better than just about anyone.
Exactly! GM salaried employees were screwed, creditors were screwed, stock holders were screwed-but the UAW was rewarded for helping run the company into the ground. WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS. All due to Obama selling out American citizens in return for votes and cash from the UAW.
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Old 09-14-2023, 05:39 PM
 
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Some analysts say this will kick off a massive recession.
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Old 09-14-2023, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Some analysts say this will kick off a massive recession.
It won't.
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Old 09-14-2023, 05:47 PM
 
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This seat may have been repaired, with a replaced seat cover. Or possibly the cover was removed and cleaned. With rental cars you never know the past history. Maybe someone crapped in the seat? It's unlikely that car left the factory with a seat like that. It could have had a bad seat that needed repair from the plant, but Ford maybe sold it to the rental company that way (gave them a deal with full transparency) instead of parking it and waiting for a replacement seat (rental fleets have been desperate to buy new vehicles since they sold off so many during the pandemic) and the rental company fixed the seat maybe with a cheap aftermarket trim cover. You just never know.

At any time there are many vehicles awaiting repair at the plant that got impounded as unfit for sale until they are repaired. They may sit there for a long time degrading over time, as an asset they cannot sell, so I can see that they may be sold to fleets "as is" for a straightforward repair and Hertz or whomever does the repairs. The car business is crazy sometimes.

If it did leave the factory with a poor quality seat, this truck was assembled in Louisville, KY but who knows where the seat was made. Certainly it was made by an outside supplier, probably more local to that area since seats are large and expensive to ship, and not made by Ford. But the UAW people who assemble it should have caught the poor quality of the seat and flagged it to be fixed before it left the plant. I would think something as obvious as this would have been detected.
Fat guy + hot weather + cheap materials = Ford Sucks.


It used to be safe to just declare chryslers were junk and only idiots bought them on purpose. You could forgive someone for driving a used pentastar product if they inherited it from a dead relative. Not long ago they came out #1 on JD Power.

The sky is red, ice is hot, water is dry.

But chrysler still cant make a good transmission.
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Old 09-14-2023, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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I got my margin account ready!
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Old 09-14-2023, 08:10 PM
 
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Are Tesla workers in the UAW?
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