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Old 03-24-2015, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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This is happening all too often lately it seems. Sad. Praying for the families of all those on board. How tragic.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Wake County, NC
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Why wouldn't you look at statistics? You're also wrong again:
Stop with your facts and statistics.

Everyone needs to come on here and let their emotions run wild after an accident. I knew it wouldn't be long before we had the "foul play" conspiracy post. I'm actually surprised it got as far as 12 post before this happened. I'm not saying it wasn't foul play, but speculating with the info we have is not productive. It could have been many things that brought the aircraft down.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Why wouldn't you look at statistics? You're also wrong again:
Is that quite fair, though? I'd imagine that many of the plane "accidents" you cited to include relatively minor incidents like rough landings, tire blowouts, etc., and are not what louie0406 was referring to when he wrote "these types" of crashes. I took that to mean survival after more serious incidents like engine failure in mid air, etc., on large jets, which I'd imagine is extremely rare.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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This type of airplane ( airbus) is fully automated with no reversal if the computers fail. Something to think about.
If it comes to light that this was another case of an Airbus not letting the pilots do their jobs during some sort of emergency caused by incorrect flight data gathered by the plane, I see no reason for any survivors and families of deceased to not sue the living hell out of Airbus. There is no reason for any sort of machine carrying trained humans to not give up its power to those humans in cases where the human brain is a better option over a computer.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Wake County, NC
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I'd MUCH rather be in a vehicle when/if the engine fails instead of an airplane that's traveling at an altitude of 30k feet over the atlantic. I've been in a few car accidents and walked away.
The aircraft flying over the Atlantic has at least one other engine if one fails.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:33 PM
 
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Is that quite fair, though? I'd imagine that many of the plane "accidents" you cited to include relatively minor incidents like rough landings, tire blowouts, etc., and are not what louie0406 was referring to when he wrote "these types" of crashes. I took that to mean survival after more serious incidents like engine failure in mid air, etc., on large jets, which I'd imagine is extremely rare.
Was just about to reply with this ^^
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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The aircraft flying over the Atlantic has at least one other engine if one fails.
I should have been more specific and stated complete engine failure.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Even if by some miracle someone survived the impact of the uncontrolled descent. They will not survive the exposure while waiting for rescue. There will not be any survivors of this accident. I hear two conflicting accounts of this crash. One story going around says there was a distress signal 45 minutes before loss of radar contact. Another says there was no distress signal before loss of radar contact.

In light of recent accidents I see no reason why "black boxes" on board the aircraft should be the sole means of determining an aircrafts fate. I think it is unacceptable that an airliner capable of carrying hundreds of passengers (MH370) was lost with no hard data on its whereabouts. Every bit of human communication that takes place in an airplane cockpit or between the cockpit and the ground should be recorded and sent up to a satellite to be relayed to "cloud" storage. Any deviation from flight plan should be grounds for scrambling fighter planes to have a visual look at things even if voice communication with the cockpit is being maintained. Planes have crashed before and if the data says it is happening less ofen... who am I... but I think what is unsettling people recently is the number of crashes for which there is no explanation. It should be the job of someone in a flight crew to keep the ground informed of what is happening in even the most catastrophic of situations.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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This type of airplane ( airbus) is fully automated with no reversal if the computers fail. Something to think about.
What's your background and experience? Please don't say housewife...

The A320 series requires two button pushes to revert from normal to alternate law giving complete control to the pilots and getting rid of all but the simplest of protections.

As for my background I have a type rating in the plane and currently operate it.
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Old 03-24-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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What's your background and experience? Please don't say housewife...

The A320 series requires two button pushes to revert from normal to alternate law giving complete control to the pilots and getting rid of all but the simplest of protections.

As for my background I have a type rating in the plane and currently operate it.
What are you thinking? Stall?
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