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I get that baseball has a "death penalty" for gambling, but if you think that PED use or use of illicit drugs don't affect the integrity or the image of the game you're BSing yourself. Dirtbags like McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Bonds, Strawberry, and Gooden belong on the same island with Rose.
Concur wholeheartedly. What I wouldn't give for Giamatti instead of that spineless wimp Selig. I'm sure Bart would have put McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, Bonds, et al in permaban land where they belong.
I don't remember who the commissioner was at the time, but he banned Willie Mays from any contact with baseball while the retired Mays was doing PR work for a hotel casino.
I don't remember who the commissioner was at the time, but he banned Willie Mays from any contact with baseball while the retired Mays was doing PR work for a hotel casino.
That was Bowie Kuhn, and it was both Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle whose jobs as casino greeters and high roller golf buddies caused them to be barred. The decision was reversed in 1985 by Commissioner Peter Ueberroth and the pair were restored.
Despite what he did I had to feel sorry for the guy about 3 years ago when I saw him with a table at the Mirage in Las Vegas trying to sell autographs. People were ignoring him like the plague. I would guess that many of the younger people didn't even know who he is. He probably thought casino customers would understand his gambling. Apparently it didn't work.
Charlie never knew when to give up the Hustle, that was his downfall then & now. A bad reality show with his freakish wife and selling his autograph to anyone willing to pay proves there's always a point where personal glory turns from charm to narcissistic desperation.
It is indeed sad, because he was my hero as a kid in the early 80s, before I knew better.
What Pete Rose did before gambling on baseball was play his heart out and is one of the best ever to play the game.
He deserves to be in the HOF for his play.
When he bet on baseball he was retired as a player and it should not have anything to do with this at all.
Above comments, cheaters like Clemens, McGwire, Palmerio, Sosa, Bonds etc should be the ones whos names and record should be deleted from the baseball record books and all should be banned from names showing in stadiums etc.
When he bet on baseball he was retired as a player and it should not have anything to do with this at all.
Your information is incorrect. Pete Rose bet while he was a player, and continued to place bets while he was a manager, including bets placed on the Reds...while he was managing them.
He confessed to all of this in his 2004 book, "My Prison Without Bars", so the issue is not in doubt.
He was a terrific ballplayer whose low rent character ruined his reputation. He spent a decade plus lying to the public, which included supporters such as you, before finally coming clean for the purpose of making some bucks off the book. Why anyone would continue to champion someone who lied to them about his innocence, and thus his worthiness of your support, after he has come out and told you that he had been lying all along?
Rose knew the rules, Rose knew the penalty for breaking the rules, Rose broke the rules anyway. He got what was coming to him.
Something to keep in mind is that even if the Commissioner reinstated Rose, it would not automatically follow that he became eligible for the HoF. MLB and The Hall of Fame are different operations, each privately owned and independent of the other.
It was a decision on the part of the people who run the Hall to make anyone on MLB's ineligible list, also barred from HoF ballots. They did not have to do this, but thought that it was a good idea. There is nothing that prevents them from taking the position that anyone who was ever on the ineligible list, is permanently barred from the ballot, regardless of reinstatement in MLB.
I do not see that as likely, I think that if MLB lifts Rose's ban, the Hall will follow, but it is possible.
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