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Jim Rice just missed being elected to the Hall of Fame in the last series of votes. In looking at his overall batting performance, it appears that Albert Belle and Dick Allen had better overall (though a bit shorter) careers.
Do you think the lack of consideration for Allen and Belle when their times arrived were due to their surly personalities, or do you think they really didn't merit greater consideration?
Don't believe they merit. Belle not even close, IMO. He had high career points and power, but not HOF. Certainly not even the greatest of his time.
Look at Eddie Murray. He was pretty surly, had the worst relationship with the media. Eddie is a no doubt HOF though.
(Ron Santo should have been in long ago, and he'd better be in there before those guys.)
I would have loved to have seen Dick/Richie Allen play, but don't think his career was consistant enough for HOF. (He also did a song called "Echoes of November" Beautiful!!)
I choose D: Johnny Bench. One of the greatest catchers who did nothing wrong but some one thinks he dont deserve it because he gambles. Just like 35 million people a year do in Vegas and 8 million a year in AC.
But if I have to answer anyway, as a Red Sox fan since 1967, Jim Rice has my support. I remember him very very well. He caught many fly balls right in front of me in the outfield at Fenway back when I was a kid.
I been to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. All Baseball fans should go some day in their lives.
One of the best measures I have seen of offensive production is OPS+, which is a measure of a player's offensive performance within the context of the average for the league that year, and the player's ballpark. This offsets variances in overall league performance that occur over time, and makes a better comparitive tool for the player career.
OPS+ for career and peak year for each player is as follows:
I choose D: Johnny Bench. One of the greatest catchers who did nothing wrong but some one thinks he dont deserve it because he gambles. Just like 35 million people a year do in Vegas and 8 million a year in AC.
But if I have to answer anyway, as a Red Sox fan since 1967, Jim Rice has my support. I remember him very very well. He caught many fly balls right in front of me in the outfield at Fenway back when I was a kid.
I been to the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown. All Baseball fans should go some day in their lives.
Johnny Bench is in the HOF.
GO back to bashing all of us who live in NJ, your sports IQ is zero.
One of the best measures I have seen of offensive production is OPS+, which is a measure of a player's offensive performance within the context of the average for the league that year, and the player's ballpark. This offsets variances in overall league performance that occur over time, and makes a better comparitive tool for the player career.
OPS+ for career and peak year for each player is as follows:
Concerning the normalized offensive measure, Allen and Belle both have significantly better career and peak numbers than the other players.
Go back to Hodges era and look how he dominated. There was not a 1st baseman in the National League who was as good as he was while he played...that is what getting into the Hall is all about. It is not all about offensive stats, just look at Ozzie Smith and Phil Rizzuto.
Hodges .273 career average kind of works against him, even in his era it generally puts him out of the top 20 on any given year. I realize he was very good, but is he really significantly better than Tino Martinez, Fred McGriff or Jack Clark were in their timeframe?
OPS+ was designed to place players in the context of their eras and to negate any ballpark effects, so that is why I used it in asking about Belle and Allen.
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