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Old 05-27-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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Bill Buckner, Red Sox icon entrenched in baseball history, dead at 69


I had no idea he was suffering from dementia at such a (relatively) young age.
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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Little known fact: Buckner had the second most hits in MLB between 1970 and 1989, only after Pete Rose. Even more than Rod Carew. Couldn't believe the utter misrepresentation by so many when it came to his error in the 86 World Series; such as the fact that the Red Sox were up 2 runs with 2 outs, and had 2 strikes on three different Mets hitters subsequent to the error- which when it happened the game was now TIED. There were many gaffes beforehand, not to mention people forget the 3-0 the Red Sox sported into the 6th inning of game 7. Buckner was a terrific player and the torment his kids had to endure years later while attending grade school in New England, was ridiculous. It was great however to see the standing ovation Buckner got at Fenway Park in the 2008 season opener, throwing the ball to former teammate Dwight Evans, helping celebrate the 07 championship (Buckner had previously declined to return to Fenway following the 04 title).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8LGeZhR6c0
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Old 05-27-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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He was a good player who had the terrible misfortune to get Fred Merkled by one play out of the thousands he made in his career.

On the other hand, how well remembered would he be had it not been for his infamous muff? Who would remember Merkle if not for the "boner?" Who would remember Wally Pipp if he hadn't been famously replaced by Lou Gehrig?
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Old 05-27-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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RIP Bill
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Old 05-27-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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He was a good player who had the terrible misfortune to get Fred Merkled by one play out of the thousands he made in his career.

On the other hand, how well remembered would he be had it not been for his infamous muff? Who would remember Merkle if not for the "boner?" Who would remember Wally Pipp if he hadn't been famously replaced by Lou Gehrig?
Here in Chicago he'll be remembered for the all-star player that he was.
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Old 05-27-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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Little known fact: Buckner had the second most hits in MLB between 1970 and 1989, only after Pete Rose. Even more than Rod Carew. Couldn't believe the utter misrepresentation by so many when it came to his error in the 86 World Series; such as the fact that the Red Sox were up 2 runs with 2 outs, and had 2 strikes on three different Mets hitters subsequent to the error- which when it happened the game was now TIED. There were many gaffes beforehand, not to mention people forget the 3-0 the Red Sox sported into the 6th inning of game 7. Buckner was a terrific player and the torment his kids had to endure years later while attending grade school in New England, was ridiculous. It was great however to see the standing ovation Buckner got at Fenway Park in the 2008 season opener, throwing the ball to former teammate Dwight Evans, helping celebrate the 07 championship (Buckner had previously declined to return to Fenway following the 04 title).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8LGeZhR6c0
Add in, on the error, pitcher is NOT covering, and no first baseman beats Mookie then, on a slowly hit ball nearing the edge of the of grass. If he fields it, its 1st and 3rd, winning run on 3rd.

Calvin Schiraldi should have been the 1986 goat. IMO this Met fan would say Ojeda should be MVP, as that trade sent Schiraldi to the Red Sox, whose GM was from Mets org, and who knew Schiraldi and consistency in the same sentence was an oxymoron.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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Here in Chicago he'll be remembered for the all-star player that he was.
I've no reason to doubt your word on that. That it holds true outside of Chicago I am less confident. I Googled Buckner and here are the first paragraphs from the first four obits that came up.
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Bill Buckner, the longtime major leaguer whose error in the 1986 World Series for years lived in Red Sox infamy, died Monday. He was 69.
Bill Buckner dies at 69 after battling dementia

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Being remembered for a mistake is hard. Being the living symbol of 86 years of futility is just about impossible.

But that's exactly what Bill Buckner was to Boston Red Sox fans for nearly 20 years.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/27/72735...ner-dies-at-69



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(CNN)Bill Buckner, an elite hitter for 22 seasons whose All-Star career was overshadowed by an infamous fielding error he made in the 1986 World Series, has died, according to Major League Baseball. He was 69.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/27/us/bi...ead/index.html



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Former major league first baseman and outfielder Bill Buckner, who won a batting title with the Chicago Cubs in 1980 but was best remembered for the error he committed in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series while playing for the Boston Red Sox, died Monday at 69 after battling dementia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.9bf27d9f7b3f

They are all leading with the '86 error, suggesting that it overshadows all else.
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Add in, on the error, pitcher is NOT covering, and no first baseman beats Mookie then, on a slowly hit ball nearing the edge of the of grass. If he fields it, its 1st and 3rd, winning run on 3rd.
Yup; very good possibility that Wilson would have ben safe. And the pitcher at that point (having replaced Schiraldi to face Wilson), was Bob Stanley, hardly a nimble one. And it was in fact Stanley, who had been loathed in Boston for several seasons, as he was hardly dependable out of the bullpen.
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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rest in peace bill, dodger fans will remember you as much as cubs, red sox, angels, and royals fans will.
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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"....leading with the '86 error, suggesting that it overshadows all else."
no suggestion.
it does overshadow.
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