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View Poll Results: Which one of these cities has the best chance of gaining an NBA franchise?
Seattle 141 51.09%
San Jose 5 1.81%
Omaha 7 2.54%
Kansas City 27 9.78%
St. Louis 37 13.41%
Pittsburgh 9 3.26%
Las Vegas 21 7.61%
Vancouver 5 1.81%
Montreal 13 4.71%
Virginia Beach 11 3.99%
Voters: 276. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-30-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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If Seattle loved their team so much, why didn't they kick in the money the team wanted to stay? Were they broke? (I know nothing about Seattle sports)
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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If Seattle loved their team so much, why didn't they kick in the money the team wanted to stay? Were they broke? (I know nothing about Seattle sports)
No one gave Seattle the opportunity to try to keep their team. Howard Schultz sold the team to Clay Bennett before anyone else in Seattle had the opportunity to try and keep the team. Compare how the NBA treated Seattle to how many chances they gave Sacramento. It's nonsense, all to extract more public funds for an arena. Seattle has never been as broke as Sacramento is now.

California already has 3 other NBA teams. Why do they need a 4th?
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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No one gave Seattle the opportunity to try to keep their team. Howard Schultz sold the team to Clay Bennett before anyone else in Seattle had the opportunity to try and keep the team. Compare how the NBA treated Seattle to how many chances they gave Sacramento. It's nonsense, all to extract more public funds for an arena. Seattle has never been as broke as Sacramento is now.

California already has 3 other NBA teams. Why do they need a 4th?
Really? I'm reading conflicting reports.

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After failed efforts to persuade Washington state government officials to provide funding to update KeyArena, the SuperSonics' ownership group, led by Howard Schultz, sold the team to Professional Basketball Club LLC (PBC), an investment group headed by Oklahoma City businessman Clayton Bennett.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Seattle has more people AND more money and a more storied franchise. You could literally delete every reference to the Kings in NBA history and it would remain unchanged. If you looked at ESPN Sports nation polls or Bleacher Report polls before the NBA shamelessly let an underserving city keep its team, over 70% of the country wanted the Sonics to come back.

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/1848/7cv4.jpg

That's a fact. Most NBA fans wanted the Sonics back.
Seattle also has an MLB,NFL,MLS, and soon an NHL team to compete with an NBA team. Yes the population is higher but when the sports market is divided up so much it mitigates the population difference. Is it better to have 20% of a 1.8 million TV market or 100% of a 1.4 million TV market? That's a no-brainer, and were seeing the results.

Also, a SportsNation poll? Really? I love ESPN and can't bear to watch that abomination of a show. And those 50,000 people that voted were probably all from Seattle, just like the "45,000" Chris Hansen allegedly had signed up for season tickets.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Lots of people seem to forget that Seattle did not support the Sonics much in the decade or so before they moved and told the NBA to kick rocks when it came time to build a new Arena, after building new houses for the Mariners and the Seahawks.
Lies.

Seattle built a NEW ARENA for the Sonics in 1995. They had the league's 2nd highest avg. ticket price and sold out every game until the lockout. Post lockout they were above 90% capacity except maybe their final season. The attendance in Seattle the last few years WAS HIGHER than Sacramento's recent attendance.


The Sonics were extremely successful, played in a new arena, and were stolen away from us.


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Throughout the time Sacramento and Seattle both had teams, the Kings crushed the Sonics in attendance.
Kings had a bigger arena. The Sonics sold out their games, thus were maxed out.

Sonics attendance the last few years while the Okies were stealing them = higher than the attendance in Sacramento the last few years.

Seattle is a substantially a better NBA city than Sacramento. I know you are upset that David Stern & OKC created the environment where your team almost got stolen away, but you do not need to lie about Seattle because so.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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If Seattle loved their team so much, why didn't they kick in the money the team wanted to stay? Were they broke? (I know nothing about Seattle sports)
The team was owned by a bunch of liars from OKC who had ZERO intention of keeping the team in Seattle. They wanted to steal the team, and David Stern and the NBA let them.

SEATTLE WANTS THE SONICS BACK. Pledged over a BILLION dollars to try to land the Kings. Seattle is willing to overpay to get our stolen team back.

Again, shame on you OKC. You are a lesser city for what you did.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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I don't think the Sonics were stolen. I think they asked for money for stadium upgrades, Washington refused, so they left. Not the fans fault of course. Blame the politicians.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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I think you're getting the Bucs mixed up with Jax. The Bucs don't have black-out issues.
Yea they do. They're far and away the worst offender when it comes to blackouts. In the last 6 years they've been blacked out 19 times. Cincinnati is second worst at 11. Jacksonville has 7. Tampa was blacked out 6 times last year alone...perhaps they should be a candidate to move to LA.

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Agreed! I think we could get rid of teams like Charlotte, Utah and Miami of all . How I would love if the heat disappeared forever!
Utah has a good hoops culture. They should keep their team. Cities that shouldn't have a team are Sacramento, New Orleans, and perhaps Minneapolis.
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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Quick comparison I found on 4 minutes research on my phone. Attendance records for Kings and Sonics for the years that Sacramento and Seattle both had a team.

KINGS

Year Total Avg
2009-10 543,416 13,254
2008-09 502,852 12,571
2007-08 580,181 14,150
2006-07 709,817 17,312
2005-06 709,997 17,317
2004-05 709,997 17,317
2003-04 709,997 17,317
2002-03 709,997 17,317
2001-02 709,997 17,317
2000-01 709,997 17,317
1999-00 687,410 16,766
1998-99 418,751 16,750
1997-98 605,434 14,767
1996-97 709,997 17,317
1995-96 709,997 17,317
1994-95 709,997 17,317
1993-94 709,997 17,317
1992-93 709,997 17,317
1991-92 697,574 17,014
1990-91 697,574 17,014
1989-90 697,574 17,014
1988-89 677,197 16,517
1987-88 423,653 10,333
1986-87 423,653 10,333
1985-86 423,653 10,333


SONICS

2007-08 547,556 13,355
2006-07 654,163 15,955
2005-06 664,157 16,198
2004-05 675,490 16,475
2003-04 631,349 15,399
2002-03 637,194 15,541
2001-02 633,516 15,452
2000-01 640,847 15,630
1999-00 615,730 15,018
1998-99 426,800 17,072
1997-98 699,952 17,072
1996-97 699,952 17,072
1995-96 697,301 17,007
1994-95 633,748 15,457
1993-94 601,969 14,682
1992-93 632,205 15,420
1991-92 586,929 14,315
1990-91 510,166 12,443
1989-90 502,014 12,244
1988-89 529,733 12,920
1987-88 492,312 12,008
1986-87 356,362 8,692
1985-86 329,296 8,032
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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I'm pretty excited for Ranadive (who lives in Silicon Valley) to say that an arena plan is untenable and moves the team to San Jose.
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