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Whtviper1, you make some very good points and you might be right, or maybe not. Only time will tell. However, if you see these things, why not just ignore the thread and let them dream?
Not to say that I am perfect because heck, I really didn't need to ask Jeffington why he made a new account, but I did. I didn't need to point fingers at the Maui Troll when they were going crazy. I also didn't need to try to help Wink so much when he so clearly wasn't willing, at the time, to help himself.
I guess what I need to do is ask myself the very same question!
I'll give you a concrete example of why I do this - the $10K in savings threads. Remember them. I called them out as bogus - they kept repeating themselves - heck, it was probably the Maui poster - I kept calling them out as ridiculous - eventually people tired of them - and they stopped. I couldn't believe people actually got sucked into those crazy stories - all fake. It was the same poster - over and over and over again.
I try to point these things out so over the long term so the forum can get educated to be a better place and focus on the legitimate threads - I'm really surprised so many people get sucked in to such an obvious situation that will never happen - it makes the forum so much worse to answer the questions like it is a serious post. It takes a few seconds to call them out - and isn't a big deal. I actually do ignore more of the bogus threads. This thread got out of control and I chimed in. The dreamer threads in my opinion are toxic, they skew reality and don't help anyone.
I'll give you a concrete example of why I do this - the $10K in savings threads. Remember them. I called them out as bogus - they kept repeating themselves - I kept calling them out as ridiculous - eventually people tired of them - and they stopped. I couldn't believe people actually got sucked into those crazy stories - all fake. It was the same poster - over and over and over again.
I try to point these things out so over the long term so the forum can get educated to be a better place and focus on the legitimate threads - I'm really surprised so many people get sucked in to such an obvious situation that will never happen - it makes the forum so much worse to answer the questions like it is a serious post. It takes a few seconds to call them out - and isn't a big deal. I actually do ignore more of the bogus threads. This thread got out of control and I chimed in. The dreamer threads in my opinion are toxic, they skew reality and don't help anyone.
At the risk of being called a bully, or whatever, I have to say this, as it applies to the Big Island.
So many of the people presenting these "plans" seem to 100% or nearly 100% phony, pretentious, or in some other manner, less than real. Like they are wanting to call attention to themselves, to validate themselves, to give their lives and themselves some sort of meaning that is just so outside of normative.
I remember one guy wanted to import topsoil to one of the lava-zones where soil is almost non-existent, plant trees and become a fruitarian.
One couple, "detested" milk. I never knew a single person in my life who hated, much less detested milk, much less two of them coming together, and then wearing it on-sleeve like a badge of specialness.
Did I read on a current thread that someone is unschooling their children. I'm pretty sure I read that right.
Maybe the forum just concentrates them into a smaller, more-visible location.
You may now return to your normal (or abnormal) programming.
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Not to say that I am perfect because heck, I really didn't need to ask Jeffington why he made a new account, but I did. I didn't need to point fingers at the Maui Troll when they were going crazy.
Is that what's going on over in the Maui forum? The cost of living compared to wages available is way too out of whack. So, you either have the types who can afford that (not so interesting to me), or the ones who definitely cannot afford it, but hell bent on 'making it work'. So, in short, I don't even read the Maui forum.
Speaking of which, a new troll just hit the 'general 'Hawaii' forum, the 'Am I tripping...?' poster. Brand new poster, safe assumption that's your Maui Troll at work again? Definitely doesn't appear to be a legitimate post.
Anytime someone asks for opinions, and even invites "brutal honesty", but then immediately argues with any post that is not supportive of their plan, you know there is no true interest in "learning". You can either ignore the thread, or shower them with praise in order to garner reputation points.
Trixey, have you been to the Big Island ... Or even to Hawaii before ? I couldn't find this in the posts. If not, I wouldn't be so quick to dismis the information people have offered regarding the experience your kids may have with respect to home-schooling and friends. Or even the potential Internet issues. That subject has been discussed here before and is good information to be aware of.
If you and your family have been to the Big Island before and know its right for you, then yes, you have an income that would allow you to move, and lower your standard of living a bit as well.
Ok, I am probably going to regret this in ten minutes but I must shed light on just how backwards some of this is. First off, why would a salary of $100,000 seem phony to anyone working in IT? It is not like I came on saying my husband is an inventor and makes 2 million an invention - the salary he makes is the norm, so get over yourselves.
I am a lot of things but pretentious and less than real - sorry Robin Rossi, but I am never pretentious and probably too real for my own liking. Real enough to see right through your dysfunctional attacks on me. Honestly, you and Viper should do a reality show, the two of you could stand curbside and spout your brilliant philosophies - sort of like King of the Hill but with more ignorance and less humor.
Think of the laughs as you defend Milk, even after the worlds finest Physicians have linked it to heart disease, stroke, obesity, diabetes, and cancer - you and Viper could sit on a couch together and critique Forks over Knives. Wow this "dreamer" has a new calling, I will direct Viper and Robin Rossi in a reality TV show - forget a programmer salary, we would have millions as people sat hanging on every ridiculous comment made.
If Robin Rossi gets too vocal you could raise your voice and say something along the lines of "I am the thum thar breadwinner of this household, woman!" Viper, the words you choose are very telling of your true nature - "breadwinner"and "bored housewife" are straight out of the 1950s. All kidding aside, you seem to take issue with strong, intelligent and outspoken women - how extreme Right of you.
Ignorance, sexism, jealousy, spitefulness - they are perfect ingredients for a good reality tv show and I couldn't have dreamed up better characters. "I am the thum thar breadwinner of this household woman!!!" - this is what I hear when I read your posts - this is good stuff, keep it coming...
Ok, I am probably going to regret this in ten minutes but I must shed light on just how backwards some of this is. First off, why would a salary of $100,000 seem phony to anyone working in IT? It is not like I came on saying my husband is an inventor and makes 2 million an invention - the salary he makes is the norm, so get over yourselves.
I am a lot of things but pretentious and less than real - sorry Robin Rossi, but I am never pretentious and probably too real for my own liking. Real enough to see right through your dysfunctional attacks on me. Honestly, you and Viper should do a reality show, the two of you could stand curbside and spout your brilliant philosophies - sort of like King of the Hill but with more ignorance and less humor.
Think of the laughs as you defend Milk, even after the worlds finest Physicians have linked it to heart disease, stroke, obesity, diabetes, and cancer - you and Viper could sit on a couch together and critique Forks over Knives. Wow this "dreamer" has a new calling, I will direct Viper and Robin Rossi in a reality TV show - forget a programmer salary, we would have millions as people sat hanging on every ridiculous comment made.
If Robin Rossi gets too vocal you could raise your voice and say something along the lines of "I am the thum thar breadwinner of this household, woman!" Viper, the words you choose are very telling of your true nature - "breadwinner"and "bored housewife" are straight out of the 1950s. All kidding aside, you seem to take issue with strong, intelligent and outspoken women - how extreme Right of you.
Ignorance, sexism, jealousy, spitefulness - they are perfect ingredients for a good reality tv show and I couldn't have dreamed up better characters. "I am the thum thar breadwinner of this household woman!!!" - this is what I hear when I read your posts - this is good stuff, keep it coming...
I am not going to debate the issue with you. If you recall in my post #50, I believe, I wished you good luck and happiness. You proceeded to trash me, but whatever - insecurity comes in so many packages.
I have made my observation, and it is "bigger" than just you, including several different OPs. You have made your rebuttal. Let the words that came before and will come later make or break your case, but my opinion stands as issued.
I didn't read your reply for a variety of reasons including disjointedness, but I did notice something about breadwinner and bored housewife. Seems a bit off-base, but again, I don't really care.
Trixey, you've met the "brutal honesty" of asking about a moving plan, and having the conversation head into the controversial. That does not make your plan right or wrong, but you'll find that there are people who can envision success in your plan, as well as people who see problems with your plan. There are even people who see both at the same time with your plan.You can take whatever bits of advice you want.
Earlier I gave a hint about the ignore feature. You could still consider using it.
The topic of your children's education and adaptation to Hawaii should not be underestimated. For older children, especially teens, Hawaii is very unique due to the mix of cultures, acceptance, "fitting in", etc., at least in a way that offers daily happiness. For a fresh start on advice, if I were you, I'd do a large amount of searching through the archives about education in Hawaii and home-schooling and social interaction, and then post a new thread about that topic.
Good luck with making use of what this forum offers, but remember that it is a two-way street when the arguing starts. You do have a way of somewhat controlling the flow of traffic.
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