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OK, OK, some Hawaii Gas pipeline customers on Oahu get small amounts of Natural Gas mixed in with the SynGas that's manufactured there at the refinery, as the company experiments with importing Compressed Natural Gas from the mainland, because it is less expensive and the future of the refinery is uncertain. But their CNG importing at the moment is just a small scale pilot project, with no guarantee that large scale imports will be approved.
But nobody in the islands can buy actual Natural Gas at this point, or to enjoy its economies, which is the point I was making. Besides being expensive, the SynGas sold here contains less than half the heat energy per volume unit that natural gas does, which is why all appliances made to use natural gas have to be converted to use the manufactured gas that we can buy here.
But nobody in the islands can buy actual Natural Gas at this point, or to enjoy its economies, which is the point I was making. Besides being expensive, the SynGas sold here contains less than half the heat energy per volume unit that natural gas does, which is why all appliances made to use natural gas have to be converted to use the manufactured gas that we can buy here.
They sure seem to imply you can buy it on all the islands - including the BI.
"At current prices LNG is a cheaper alternative than petroleum fuels used in Hawai'i. Because LNG can be shipped inter-island and used in multiple applications such as utility gas, electricity generation and ground and marine transportation, it is a statewide energy solution, not just an O'ahu solution. LNG can reduce our reliance on imported crude oil and keep the cost of other fuels in check."
"Gas energy is the most cost-effective fuel next to the sun itself. A typical Hawaii Gas customer pays less per year for our gas energy than they would for electricity to do the same tasks. The cost to convert is also less than you may think."
"In typical home appliances, the direct use of gas energy results in energy consumption that is 28 percent less than a similar home with all-electric appliances. Efficiency saves energy and money."
They sure seem to imply you can buy it on all the islands - including the BI.
Not even close. Gas, yes. Natural Gas, no. They received their first shipment of LNG in the pilot project in April, of an amount equal to a fraction of Honolulu's daily requirement, which has to be regasified for mixing directly in with the syngas flowing in the Oahu pipeline. They have a total of three transport units to use in the pilot, each of which requires a minimum of 2 weeks to make a round trip to California for refilling. So the amount of natural gas in the Oahu system is currently negligible from a users standpoint. If the pilot is successful AND they get permission from all concerned authorities for full implementation, they believe they can be operational by 2018. And I posted about all this back then.
For those who will recall, I have previously posted about Hawaii Gas serving about 1/3 of the residents of Hawaii, mostly through individual bulk tank deliveries, plus pipelines in key areas, of the gas they manufacture. And there were some here... ahem... who refused to believe it was true until I posted the information from their website.
"At current prices LNG is a cheaper alternative than petroleum fuels used in Hawai'i. Because LNG can be shipped inter-island and used in multiple applications such as utility gas, electricity generation and ground and marine transportation, it is a statewide energy solution, not just an O'ahu solution. LNG can reduce our reliance on imported crude oil and keep the cost of other fuels in check."
Yup. This is the argument for it. Here's hoping they get it approved and implemented. A lot of people could benefit.
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They sure seem to imply cheaper than electric:
No argument. But it's not cheap compared to mainland natural gas prices. Fortunately there isn't the same need in Hawai'i as there is on the mainland, and the main uses seem to be for gas ranges, water heaters, BBQs, and poolside tiki torches.
The gas that Hawai'i Gas provides to our house on the Big Island is LPG. I looked up the definition of LPG, which is Liquefied Petroleum Gas, and found that LPG is a different chemical compound to natural gas even though they are "both hydrocarbons". To get really technical, LPG is composed primarily of propane and butane, while natural gas is composed of the lighter methane and ethane.
Anyway, according to Wikipedia, LPG is used in rural areas where there is no access to piped natural gas. That's Ka'u!
The gas that Hawai'i Gas provides to our house on the Big Island is LPG. I looked up the definition of LPG, which is Liquefied Petroleum Gas, and found that LPG is a different chemical compound to natural gas even though they are "both hydrocarbons". To get really technical, LPG is composed primarily of propane and butane, while natural gas is composed of the lighter methane and ethane.
Anyway, according to Wikipedia, LPG is used in rural areas where there is no access to piped natural gas. That's Ka'u!
Yes, and the terms LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas), aka Liquid Propane, and LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) are easily confused, but they are not the same thing at all and cannot be interchanged in use. In a similar manner, Liquid Propane and Propane Gas are not interchangeable.
The differences between the liquid and the gaseous forms of both Propane and Natural Gas have to do with temperature and pressure at which each is kept in liquid form or in gaseous form. The former requires refrigeration to well below freezing.
Yes, and the terms LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas), aka Liquid Propane, and LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) are easily confused, but they are not the same thing at all and cannot be interchanged in use. In a similar manner, Liquid Propane and Propane Gas are not interchangeable.
The differences between the liquid and the gaseous forms of both Propane and Natural Gas have to do with temperature and pressure at which each is kept in liquid form or in gaseous form. The former requires refrigeration to well below freezing.
I read my bill from Hawaii Gas that says that I'm using LPG.
All I know is that with the cost of electricity, I'm glad to have the ability to have a gas stove, gas water heater, and gas dryer. I haven't asked them to tell me whether I'm using propane or butane or whatever.
I think the website speaks for itself. Gas is available.
Nobody ever said it wasn't.
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