01-30-2020, 01:43 PM
Location: Providence, RI
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Interesting read in the Globe about interacting with homeless people in Boston:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/01/...meless-people/
How do you interact with them (or avoid them)? Do you give money or not?
I remember being a little kid at the Intersection of Mass. Ave and Huntington and handing a dollar bill that my mom gave me to a homeless man who smiled brightly and said "God Bless!" In the years that followed, I got angry any time someone said "don't give homeless people money, they're just going to use it on drugs!" I thought that was a ridiculous generalization and I was surely wise enough to know who was drinking/doing drugs or not. And like the author of the article, whatever they did with the money was none of my business.
But over time, my stance has changed. Especially after working in human services and having a lot of exposure to homeless engagement/outreach efforts. For starters, almost nobody who works regularly with homeless people would advise anyone to give cash directly to someone panhandling on the streets. Not even because of the tried and true "they're just going to use it for drugs!" Mostly because it encourages the continued behavior of living on the streets. Many homeless people are presented with options to stay in shelters, participate in vocational programs, etc. But panhandling can be more lucrative and provide more freedom and a community that they prefer to the structure of a shelter environment or voc. program.
A few years back a homeless outreach worker told me that I should try offering something else instead of money when asked by a homeless person. So I tried it, and the results were pretty jarring. The vast majority declined. There was one guy who accepted a Dunkin iced tea every now and then (and I happily provided it), but almost always the stories were a ploy to get cash. A few examples (of many):
Man: "Do you have a dollar or two so I can buy a ticket for the T?"
Me: "No, I don't have cash, but I do have stored value on my card and I can tap you in if you want."
Man: "Oh, thank you, but here's the thing... I need to take the T to South Station and buy a commuter rail ticket and I don't have the cash for that."
Me (knowing this is a scam at this point): "Ok, well I'm heading that way, I can grab a commuter rail ticket from the machine for you - where are you heading?"
Man: "Well, I was going to go to Providence to meet my ex and my daughter, but they might be in NYC, so I need to see about an Amtrak ticket."
Me: "Well Amtrak is right at South Station, so I can get that ticket there too."
Man: "Do you think you could just give me cash? I don't want to buy a ticket yet if I don't know where I need to go."
Me: "I can't do cash, but I'm happy to grab you a ticket to Providence or NYC if you need it."
Man: "Not even like $20? There's an ATM there"
Me: "No, I'm not withdrawing cash. But if you need a ticket I'll help."
Man: "I'm good." *storms off*
Another:
Woman: "You have change? I'm starving and I need to get some food."
Me: "I don't have cash on me, but if you want something from a restaurant around here, I can go order for you."
Woman: "Oh, I'm waiting for my sister to get here so we can go get food together - that's why I need the cash, we're both hungry."
Me: "Sorry, no cash. But I can definitely get you some food quick while you wait"
Woman: "I JUST NEED CASH BECAUSE I'M NOT EATING NOW!"
Me: "Ok, sorry I don't have any. Good luck."
Her: "F**K YOU You F**king a**hole [continued on for a bit]"
So I don't do cash anymore. There are programs you can support that have a much greater impact on homeless supports than handing a dollar or two to a person with a cup on the street. They're almost certainly not all scamming for drugs, booze, etc. but there's enough of that out there that I can't do it anymore. And I can't rest easily on the "It's their money, their choice" logic.
01-30-2020, 01:58 PM
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This clip sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwP2vV6Wm1Y
I've had similar experiences in NYC and Boston that you described.
The first time I took the train to Grand Central from CT a guy asked me for money the second I got out of the station. Then there's the people in the subways begging.
Never ending.
01-30-2020, 08:41 PM
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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This clip sums it up for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwP2vV6Wm1Y
I've had similar experiences in NYC and Boston that you described.
The first time I took the train to Grand Central from CT a guy asked me for money the second I got out of the station. Then there's the people in the subways begging.
Never ending.
Yeah NYC is pretty intense with the homeless beggers.
01-31-2020, 06:48 AM
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The overwhelming of majority of the homeless you'll encounter have severe mental health issue and/or severe substance abuse issues - particularly in harsh climates like the Northeast. For these people to have even remotely positive outcomes, it requires significant systems level intervention - not dollars in a cup. If you feel empathy for these people and wish to improve their conditions, donate time of money to the institutions who are trying to intervene and elevate.
01-31-2020, 07:15 AM
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Panhandling is a lucrative industry. You will have multiple "workers" working an intersection for a head guy (who typically gets some kind of a cut), and they will typically rotate in shifts. I never give them money. I once handed some guy a job application, who then unloaded an endless rant of cuss words. I ran into him a few more times, but he never bothered me again.
01-31-2020, 09:15 AM
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Well Winthrop Square Tower is putting over $40 Million dollars for a 100+ bed homeless rehab site in Boston. Thats a good start.
01-31-2020, 09:44 AM
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If I have leftovers from a meal and am caring it I frequently have homeless ask if they can have it. They are hungry and I give it to them.
01-31-2020, 11:38 AM
Location: Westwood, MA
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Well Winthrop Square Tower is putting over $40 Million dollars for a 100+ bed homeless rehab site in Boston. Thats a good start.
$40m/100 = $400,000. Surely something is off on those numbers.
01-31-2020, 01:26 PM
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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$40m/100 = $400,000. Surely something is off on those numbers.
Il redirect you to the project Auxillary supplemental task on the BDPA website for any specific number discrepancies.
01-31-2020, 06:39 PM
Location: The ghetto
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The overwhelming of majority of the homeless you'll encounter have severe mental health issue and/or severe substance abuse issues - particularly in harsh climates like the Northeast. For these people to have even remotely positive outcomes, it requires significant systems level intervention - not dollars in a cup. If you feel empathy for these people and wish to improve their conditions, donate time of money to the institutions who are trying to intervene and elevate.
But they won't go to the shelters. If people don't give them money, they'll rob/steal and/or resort to prostitution in some cases.
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People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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