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Old 02-03-2020, 10:45 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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When someone buys me something I’m pretty darn grateful. But i know you enjoy arguing with me so here we are.


So am I. But again, that's the entire point of trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes and understanding where they may be coming from. I don't expect people not in my place to see things the same way.


It's kind of like those dimwits who go on about "why do poor people have children they can't afford, I would never do that". Way to be clueless, people. Walk in others shoes. Realize that my assumptions and outlook probably do not mirror theirs. That my cost/benefit analysis of life has a basic set of assumptions involved, and those won't be shared by others.
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:52 AM
 
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Oh ok so it’s dim witted to wonder why poor people continue to have children? Why? So everyone should just expect to help out these folks when they continue to bring kids into the world that they can’t take care of? Because that’s what you’re basically saying. If poor uneducated people stopped having kids wouldn’t that be better for everyone? Or I’m just supposed to honor their rights to reproduce and help them out right?

That makes no sense. Maybe they should be working on bettering themselves before they have kids.

Why is it so preposterous to wonder why people who can’t care for themselves would bring multiple children into the world??
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:05 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Oh ok so it’s dim witted to wonder why poor people continue to have children? Why? So everyone should just expect to help out these folks when they continue to bring kids into the world that they can’t take care of? Because that’s what you’re basically saying. If poor uneducated people stopped having kids wouldn’t that be better for everyone? Or I’m just supposed to honor their rights to reproduce and help them out right?

That makes no sense. Maybe they should be working on bettering themselves before they have kids.

Why is it so preposterous to wonder why people who can’t care for themselves would bring multiple children into the world??


It's not preposterous or dimwitted to wonder. Wonder brings craving for knowledge. Thankfully we have loads of research and understand why these things happen. So, lets all go out and learn why and understand why, and not lambast them for what is, to them, a very understandable choice (once you understand it better).
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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It's not preposterous or dimwitted to wonder. Wonder brings craving for knowledge. Thankfully we have loads of research and understand why these things happen. So, lets all go out and learn why and understand why, and not lambast them for what is, to them, a very understandable choice (once you understand it better).
Well I understand. It "pays" to have kids. Is what it is...
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:38 AM
 
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Well I learned in sex Ed how it happens but there is also birth control.

If someone is homeless or has no money you can’t help but wonder why they keep having kids. It’s selfish and mean.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:39 AM
 
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Well I understand. It "pays" to have kids. Is what it is...
And this too. The more kids you have the more money the government gives you. But let’s just keep feeling sorry for this awful cyclical situation.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:42 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Well I learned in sex Ed how it happens but there is also birth control.

If someone is homeless or has no money you can’t help but wonder why they keep having kids. It’s selfish and mean.


I didn't say "how". I said "why". And no, I don't need to wonder "why" they are doing so as thankfully, there a great deal of sociology research on the issue that gets to the "why", if you care to understand issue better and get beyond "wondering". I'll leave it at that.

As to the thread at large, I don't want to tell myself stories about these people, I want to hear their stories.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:47 AM
 
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Well I understand. It "pays" to have kids. Is what it is...

It's worse than that. It "pays" to be unmarried with no job skills and have kids. You get married and your combined income boots you off of Medicaid and you're no longer on a priority housing list. It's bizarre public policy and backwards from what you'd want. Since we can't toss kids of single parents out on the streets to starve and freeze to death, the fix to the problem isn't obvious unless it involves spending an awful lot of public money the way the rest of the first world does it.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:13 PM
 
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it seems like it’s single mothers who make out well from this. No one seems to care about the men.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:23 PM
 
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I said "why". And no, I don't need to wonder "why" they are doing so as thankfully, there a great deal of sociology research on the issue that gets to the "why", if you care to understand issue better and get beyond "wondering". I'll leave it at that.
In other words, you don't know.

Incredibly weak debating technique. Pretend like you know something you don't, talk down to the other person, and then instruct them to do some research.
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