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Old 05-01-2024, 05:39 PM
 
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Let's not forget that the original job promise for the billion dollar factory was 3500 jobs and I forget how many spin off jobs but it was way over a thousand. The tesla job promise has been reduced twice to where it is today. Also, they have sold off about $200 million in NYS taxpayer funded equipment with no explanation. But hey, who's going to ask those questions?
Which means that must say something about tesla, which has made cuts at I believe 10% across the board.
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Old 05-01-2024, 05:47 PM
 
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Which means that must say something about tesla, which has made cuts at I believe 10% across the board.
I believe it was Solar City that made the promise of 3500 jobs, but Tesla accepted the same contract.

Now they are minimum wage jobs

Still wondering about the $200 million equipment which was sold and not recuperated by the state treasury.
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Old 05-01-2024, 06:25 PM
 
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If the taxes weren't so high and the business environment so hostile and the one party rule government was more representative then the state wouldn't have to hand out massive subsidies to attract and keep companies in WNY. The best and the brightest are still leaving in droves and replaced by immigrants.
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Old 05-01-2024, 06:43 PM
 
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If the taxes weren't so high and the business environment so hostile and the one party rule government was more representative then the state wouldn't have to hand out massive subsidies to attract and keep companies in WNY. The best and the brightest are still leaving in droves and replaced by immigrants.
Is that still true though? We've gone over this and the area is growing again. So, things change.
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Old 05-02-2024, 05:56 AM
 
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Is that still true though? We've gone over this and the area is growing again. So, things change.
Yes its still true, taxes are still high, business environment is still hostile and there is still a one party government with veto proof majorities, so what incentive is there to change?

Erie County population grew from 954,231 to 946,147 which is minus 0.8%
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Old 05-02-2024, 06:55 AM
 
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Yes its still true, taxes are still high, business environment is still hostile and there is still a one party government with veto proof majorities, so what incentive is there to change?

Erie County population grew from 954,231 to 946,147 which is minus 0.8%
Again, that is an estimate not the official count of population growth from 2010-2020. Come on...

Also, NY State has actually had one party rule for a relatively small period of time, as there has been Republican majorities in the Senate as recent as 2017/2018.

"Business environment" may depend on the criteria, as that goes beyond taxes and many businesses may consider a multitude of factors.

This isn't even getting into the aspect of subsidies, which are common place across many/most(if not all) states across the country and if the company doesn't hold up its end, they are usually penalized in some way. It is a gamble states play, but a lot of times, the company may not hold up their end of the bargain, which is what this example appears to be.
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Old 05-02-2024, 07:12 AM
 
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Again, that is an estimate not the official count of population growth from 2010-2020. Come on...

Also, NY State has actually had one party rule for a relatively small period of time, as there has been Republican majorities in the Senate as recent as 2017/2018.

"Business environment" may depend on the criteria, as that goes beyond taxes and many businesses may consider a multitude of factors.

This isn't even getting into the aspect of subsidies, which are common place across many/most(if not all) states across the country and if the company doesn't hold up its end, they are usually penalized in some way. It is a gamble states play, but a lot of times, the company may not hold up their end of the bargain, which is what this example appears to be.
I knew you would bring up that it was an estimate, but its still negative population growth.

What difference does it make how long there has been a veto proof majority? As for the Republican Senate, that was by design.

Businesses are fleeing to lower tax states and taking with them lots of jobs and tax revenue. With the advent of remote working, why should a person stay in a high tax state when they can keep the same job and move to a nicer climate with lower taxes:

"New data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that New York state lost $25 billion in adjusted gross income due to outmigration in 2021, on top of $20 billion lost in 2020"

https://www.post-journal.com/news/lo...-outmigration/
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Old 05-02-2024, 07:18 AM
 
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I knew you would bring up that it was an estimate, but its still negative population growth.

What difference does it make how long there has been a veto proof majority? As for the Republican Senate, that was by design.

Businesses are fleeing to lower tax states and taking with them lots of jobs and tax revenue. With the advent of remote working, why should a person stay in a high tax state when they can keep the same job and move to a nicer climate with lower taxes:

"New data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that New York state lost $25 billion in adjusted gross income due to outmigration in 2021, on top of $20 billion lost in 2020"

https://www.post-journal.com/news/lo...-outmigration/
How is it negative growth, if it is an estimate? That means that it isn't official like the 10 year census is and many estimates have been shown to be off in many parts of the state.

Again, one party "rule" is even rare in NY is the point and

Businesses are leaving the country altogether and many people that left higher cost of living areas have come to lower cost of living areas even within the same state like in NY.

Also, it is ironic that the number of millionaires in the state grew in recent years(could barely read that article you posted, btw): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-the-pandemic

https://robbreport.com/lifestyle/new...ux-1235437310/

https://fiscalpolicy.org/migration
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Old 05-02-2024, 07:24 AM
 
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This is NOT an estimate:

"Based on income tax returns filed in 2020 and 2021, IRS data shows the Empire State lost more than 261,785 residents in a 12-month span ending July 2022, driven by “domestic outmigration” of people moving to other states. The data shows the state lost an estimated $45 billion in taxable income during those two years."
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Old 05-02-2024, 07:48 AM
 
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I knew you would bring up that it was an estimate, but its still negative population growth.

What difference does it make how long there has been a veto proof majority? As for the Republican Senate, that was by design.

Businesses are fleeing to lower tax states and taking with them lots of jobs and tax revenue. With the advent of remote working, why should a person stay in a high tax state when they can keep the same job and move to a nicer climate with lower taxes:

"New data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that New York state lost $25 billion in adjusted gross income due to outmigration in 2021, on top of $20 billion lost in 2020"

https://www.post-journal.com/news/lo...-outmigration/
In all of the years leading up to the 2020 census, each estimate predicted big population loss for Buffalo-Niagara. It turns out their methodology doesn't work since the area has the first gains in 70 years. I don't trust the estimates since they've proven they are missing some component of population growth.
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