For the conservatives who hate CA why don't you move to Kentucky? (Bishop: college, live)

[Ceece]

Originally Posted by allenk893

I'm a conservative republican. And yes I am a Christian. Unshamed of it all. I will be moving to CA. I don't care what other people's view is. I am concerned with my own. And if it doesn't agree with yours so be it. But one thing your not going to do is shut me up. Shut my mouth and opinions up. You can go to Kentucky with all your liberal views and no one will care. People are people. Your going to find agreeing and opposing views anywhere you go. There is only one time I had complained about CA's liberal views. The day it effected the entire United States. And that's something I will never understand nor condone. And that is my opinion. What I don't understand is that you while your trying to defend your side, your putting down the entire state of Kentucky with conservative people all the while going directly against the liberal objective. I thought it was about peace with you people. Also, let's not forget to adress the fact that while California maybe majority liberal, there are plenty of conservative people living there among you who still cling to their own values and traditions. Heck, that was the history of your state! So next time you want to spiral off about us moral and God-fearing folk, I'd suggest you take a good look in the mirror of California past and check yourself before your wreck it.

If you actually do move to CA, or anywhere really, it would be in your best interest to learn to get along with you new friends, neighbors and coworkers. Sometimes that actually does means shutting up. Yup, surprisingly our individual opinions on these subjects are not always welcome. If not, you will likely be miserable and disliked wherever you happen to be. You should know this if you are a grown up. I agree with the poster who said it's usually best to not discuss this stuff unless you know everyone thinks as you do or you are looking for a lively debate (usually not good for the workplace, etc.).

[NewToCA]

I've let this thread go despite some reservations.

Now my earlier concerns are starting to "bleed through" in the thread.

Keep it civil and try to keep it from becoming too personal, or I'll have to lock the thread.

[californio sur]

I don't think anyone can deny that there is a sizable socialist population in California and probably other Western states. I'll leave it to others to posulate why there is such a strong Green party but reality is that Democrats in California definitely lean against capitalism in favor of a more equitable system of economic justice. Eventually the U.S. will embrace what Californians have already done; pragmatic solutions that mean an emphasis on community needs versus individual selfishness. Is our nation more important than individual greed? Republicans are doomed in a society that is educated and has a conscious.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by californio sur

I don't think anyone can deny that there is a sizable socialist population in California and probably other Western states. I'll leave it to others to posulate why there is such a strong Green party but reality is that Democrats in California definitely lean against capitalism in favor of a more equitable system of economic justice. Eventually the U.S. will embrace what Californians have already done; pragmatic solutions that mean an emphasis on community needs versus individual selfishness. Is our nation more important than individual greed? Republicans are doomed in a society that is educated and has a conscious.

Greed? Selfishness? Our government was created based on the philosophies of people like John Locke, who believed in personal liberty and the ability of one person to succeed based on their own free will. You take that away and we're no longer the nation our Founding Fathers created. Create another country, break off from the US, do something else, because we have a Constitution and we have guidelines dictated by the Declaration of Independence that state otherwise. Modern conservative thought is based on Classical Liberalism, which formed the world that allows you to speak as you'd like to today. Without it, you'd be just another serf serving some Duke tilling his land for scraps of food.

And California is anything but pragmatic. California throws money at things without any plan required to acquire the funding(see 20 billion on a railroad with financed with public debt with no spending plan, no timeline, and no monetary cap. Big Dig pt 2). California ousts its own governor mid-term because they don't like how he handled a particular crisis and votes to cut the primary funding source out from under the government because they don't agree with the tax rate growth. That is radicalism, which is the opposite of pragmatism.

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

Greed? Selfishness? Our government was created based on the philosophies of people like John Locke, who believed in personal liberty and the ability of one person to succeed based on their own free will. You take that away and we're no longer the nation our Founding Fathers created. Create another country, break off from the US, do something else, because we have a Constitution and we have guidelines dictated by the Declaration of Independence that state otherwise.

So it is ok for Texas oil companies to fund a proposition that will suspend air quality so they can make more money even if it means killing people? If that is American capitalism then we are an enormously self-centered if not criminally neglectful country. At least California is half-way human\humane.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by majoun

I wouldn't go that far as there'd still be the other coastal areas, but CA without the Bay Area and LA Basin would definitely be a purple state.

Well, the only other major metro area on the coast is San Diego, and San Diego is 50/50 and the largest city in the state(country?) with a Republican mayor. Long Beach may be considered separate from LA in this manner, and LB has a strong Republican contingent as well.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

Well, the only other major metro area on the coast is San Diego, and San Diego is 50/50 and the largest city in the state(country?) with a Republican mayor.

Forgetting about Michael Bloomberg?

It's the largest city in CA with a Republican mayor right now.

San Diego and Sacramento are generally the "swing cities" of CA politics.

The coast is generally blue or purple, the end result would be a purple state, perhaps with a reddish tinge, but considering the CA GOP being too close to the national GOP and not California-specific, I wouldn't say it would be red.

To go back to the original topic of this thread - do you think the Kentucky Dems would nominate someone with views out of the Bay Area or L.A. to run for office? Very doubtful.

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by californio sur

So it is ok for Texas oil companies to fund a proposition that will suspend air quality so they can make more money even if it means killing people? If that is American capitalism then we are an enormously self-centered if not criminally neglectful country. At least California is half-way human\humane.

There is a term for this. It's called "democracy". It relies on the intelligence of the populace(individually) to choose the best person for the job. The system you advocate puts all of the decisions in the hands of the government, which is what we went away from when we created this nation. The government will always vote for its own interests and those of its cronies, which is why the prison union owns the legislature. The difference is that the people have no direct control over the votes of the legislature, while they do have direct control over the votes they cast in the pure direct democracy we call the initiative system.

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by Majin

So the question is, why are you here? California a the liberal/progressive stronghold and has been for decades. This is nothing new. If you don't like liberal policies, why did you come here in the first place? Why aren't you packing your bags and heading to the deep south?

It just seems silly to me. I would never, ever, move to the deep south even if you paid me a substantial amount of money. And even if I did move there, I definitely would not complain about how conservative the place is as I would know exactly what I was getting into before moving there.

Why would anyone pick the place they live according to their political views?


I pick Ca. for the weather and the country itself, the mountains, coast and a very good job.
I may not agree with all of Ca. politics but I wouldn't sgree with all of them in any State.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by bhcompy

There is a term for this. It's called "democracy". It relies on the intelligence of the populace(individually) to choose the best person for the job. The system you advocate puts all of the decisions in the hands of the government, which is what we went away from when we created this nation. The government will always vote for its own interests and those of its cronies, which is why the prison union owns the legislature. The difference is that the people have no direct control over the votes of the legislature, while they do have direct control over the votes they cast in the pure direct democracy we call the initiative system.

And which I call a big part of why the state is in such sorry fiscal shape.