California Budget : Same tune .. Different year (sales, public schools, colleges)

[yeahthatguy]

California Legislature approves $92.1-billion budget - latimes.com
"This budget is full of borrowing and gimmicks"

Passing the budget on Friday allows lawmakers to meet their constitutional deadline and prevent their pay from being docked. But some major issues have not yet been decided.
The real incentive

First, negotiations will continue next week over social services and how to fund them. Second, the budget includes an $8-billion-plus hole
More budget holes
that Brown and his allies want voters to fill with new taxes in November
More tax increases. The governor is pushing a plan to temporarily raise the states sales tax and increase income taxes for the wealthy. If voters reject the taxes, he says, the state will be forced to cut billions from public schools and colleges.
More threats to the 'real' services

I wont miss this a bit.

[Captain Obvious]

Oh come on, you aren't going to miss things like foie gras bans and important food truck regulation (AB 1678 would prohibit food trucks and any other mobile food vendors to stay at least 1500 feet from any elementary or secondary school between the hours of 6 a.m. to 6 p.m).

Anyway, what do you think the chances are of Brown or Munger's tax proposals actually passing?

I have to say that I was really surprised that Prop 29 didn't pass. It seems like the "it isn't a tax on me, so it is fine crowd" didn't turn out to vote.

[yeahthatguy]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Oh come on, you aren't going to miss things like foie gras bans and important food truck regulation (AB 1678 would prohibit food trucks and any other mobile food vendors to stay at least 1500 feet from any elementary or secondary school between the hours of 6 a.m. to 6 p.m).

Anyway, what do you think the chances are of Brown or Munger's tax proposals actually passing?

I have to say that I was really surprised that Prop 29 didn't pass. It seems like the "it isn't a tax on me, so it is fine crowd" didn't turn out to vote.

Either way, it's a bad thing. The issue is California's lavish spending habits. Public Pensions/etc. The cuts have been coming a lot of the services that the money should be increased in. Not a situation I want to find myself stuck in w/ a family. Taxes increases could pass to be honest. Federal taxes are going to have to increase so support adventures in healthcare and illegal immigrant amnesty.. My thinking is to get to where my tax burden will be the lowest and where I don't have to make mega bucks (taxes aren't adjusted for COL). Investment taxes are going to increase, federal taxes are going to increase, and I predict California's will.. We have a cluster @#*% of liberalism which is expensive and debt overhang. When the bill collector comes around I want to be long gone.

[TrapperJohn]

I know a lot of people like me who have had enough and are ready to pull the plug. I'm native and love everything but the political structure. One of my old partners headed for Oregon. We have friends in Washington. There are plenty of choices for affluent baby boomers to retire other than california. I refuse to accept that everyone is that bad at math. It has to be part of some larger plan.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by yeahthatguy

Either way, it's a bad thing. The issue is California's lavish spending habits. Public Pensions/etc. The cuts have been coming a lot of the services that the money should be increased in. Not a situation I want to find myself stuck in w/ a family. Taxes increases could pass to be honest. Federal taxes are going to have to increase so support adventures in healthcare and illegal immigrant amnesty.. My thinking is to get to where my tax burden will be the lowest and where I don't have to make mega bucks (taxes aren't adjusted for COL). Investment taxes are going to increase, federal taxes are going to increase, and I predict California's will.. We have a cluster @#*% of liberalism which is expensive and debt overhang. When the bill collector comes around I want to be long gone.

Yes. Why pay your share of being a member of society, that benefits from living in society, when you can focus more on yourself elsewhere?

[cowboyxjon]

Glad I moved away, though I hate the fact that Colorado is slowly turning into California as well!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Yes. Why pay your share of being a member of society, that benefits from living in society, when you can focus more on yourself elsewhere?

Perhaps because when the benefits dwindle yet cost a whole lot more it has a negative effect on your enthusiasm. Just a wild guess. Kinda basic, don't you think?

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Perhaps because when the benefits dwindle yet cost a whole lot more it has a negative effect on your enthusiasm. Just a wild guess. Kinda basic, don't you think?

There's an old saying, Chief: "We all pay for each others' mistakes" ...
only some of us don't ... some are unwilling to shoulder the burdens with the rest.
My comment was directed at one, who, very young, and without any history of shared sacrifice in his short life, not only has decided that he shouldn't have to struggle along with everybody else, but denigrates and ridicules those who do.

Man is a social animal. We exist and move forward as a society. Errors are made. Some costly. Paths need to be changed. Work needs to be done. Burdens need to be shared. Unless, of course, one considers himself too special.

[TrapperJohn]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Yes. Why pay your share of being a member of society, that benefits from living in society, when you can focus more on yourself elsewhere?

The issue is when I'm asked to pay my share, and yours, and your friends's, and millions of illegals.

We need to live within our means.

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by TrapperJohn

The issue is when I'm asked to pay my share, and yours, and your friends's, and millions of illegals.

We need to live within our means.

Living within our means is a good concept. I support the theory, personally.
But it is not how nations or businesses develop. Businesses and nations grow to serve more and better through investment.

Now then, investment needs to be undertaken with sanity, granted -- and ethics would sure be nice. And sanity and ethics are in short supply in the world of aggressive business and nation-building, true.

Personally, I am not in favor of developing business or nations. I'm just saying you can't have what most people subscribe to as business and national, social goals without playing the future. Give me hunter-gatherer tribal life any day. And yes, I am totally serious. Also totally realistic that I am stuck here in development with the rest of you who aren't inclined to primitive living.

So, you want a strong nation with great security and benefits for you and future generations? Then, unless you are proposing -- and willing to execute -- killing off those whom you define as non-productive (and I would challenge your definitions), then you will have to pay for those less "productive" than you ... because, quite simply, not everyone has similar abilities and strengths. We rise and or fall together -- or devolve into a murderous society. Your choice. Railing and bit*hing won't change realities of human nature.