PROPOSITION 37 - Look Who Is Fighting It!!!

[user_id]

You can find people that "don't take responsibility" throughout the country and California is certainly not spending its higher tax revenue on the promotion of irresponsibility....rather the opposite. Its spending it on higher education, programs that help lower income folks, etc. That's why the sort of deep poverty you can observe in Texas is rarely seen in California. There is also the pension issues, but that is due to financial miscalculation and every state is having issues with it.

California has a more liberal social model, some people appreciate that some others amusingly think of it as some sort of "tab". I guess its nice that the various states have different policies, perhaps you should think about moving?

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by user_id

You can find people that "don't take responsibility" throughout the country and California is certainly not spending its higher tax revenue on the promotion of irresponsibility....rather the opposite. Its spending it on higher education, programs that help lower income folks, etc. That's why the sort of deep poverty you can observe in Texas is rarely seen in California.

California has a more liberal social model, some people appreciate that some others amusingly think of it as some sort of "tab". I guess its nice that the various states have different policies, perhaps you should think about moving?

Perhaps you should back up what you claim.

Deep poverty exist here as well and is getting worse in spite of this liberal social model. California Poverty Rates Rise, Median Income Falls In New Census Stats: LAist

It appears this social liberal model is not working out so well for the State.

California poverty rate rises in 2010 for fourth year in a row - Los Angeles Times

The state still host some of the highest unemployment in the nation in spite of this liberal social model.

CA K-12 grade schools perform at the bottom of the nation in spite of this liberal social model and the claim that prop 30 was to help them. The irresponsibility of the politicians who oversee the Teachers’ Pension is the reason why. We will pick up the tab on this irresponsibility as well as many others.

Move? You are the one who has already claimed that is what you are going to do based on what you see happening to this state. You should just worry about yourself moving vs. trying to start flame wars with those who see the issues that are causing CA to sink.

You can talk about higher education all you want and just ignore the rest. Supporting higher education is not what has hurt this state.

Good Luck with your move

[user_id]

Originally Posted by TVC15

It appears this social liberal model is not working out so well for the State.

It has worked rather well actually, that is why California has the largest economy in the union despite being a relatively new state in the union. But the social model in California is just a bit stronger than other states, most important policies are federal in nature.

I never suggested that California doesn't have poverty, I said it doesn't have much of the deep poverty you see in Texas. You can see some of it here, but not like other states.

The fact that poverty has increased in California recently is due to the recession, its been increasing throughout the country.

Originally Posted by TVC15

Move? You are the one who has already claimed that is what you are going to do based on what you see happening to this state.

Yes, if you prefer states with weaker social models then moving is the obvious choice....endlessly complaining on the internet is not.

And yep, I will likely move in the next few years.....but not due to the gibberish you complain about.

[TrueTimbers]

Originally Posted by user_id

Nothing in particular in mind, this isn't something I follow very closely. I just know that our understanding of genetics is still rather immature and if these companies get something wrong the costs can be huge....and that is fairly likely given the immaturity of the science.

As for as this prop goes, I just want better food labeling. What I find strange is that when you talk about health with conservative folks the focus is always on the individual, the companies producing the crap aren't blameworthy at all, but the minute you talk about better food labeling so individuals have better information....they reject because "regulations are bad". Its hard to see today's conservatives as anything other than puppets for big business. None of their positions are consist.....



There is no "bottom end of normal", a healthy total cholesterol level in the US is considered to be below 200. But this recommendation isn't based on current science, the US recommendations are higher than the science indicates because so few American adults have truly healthy cholesterol levels. A truly heart healthy cholesterol level is one below 150, levels higher than 150 are progressively associated with elevated risk of heart disease where as heart disease is rare in people with total cholesterol levels below 150.

I know you're on the whole "grass fed beef" thing, but that is just the latest way to obfuscate the fact that red meat and dairy are disease promoting foods. What is funny is that much of the research that shows that these foods are negative are from long-term studies that were conducted when grain fed beef wasn't as common or in countries where its entirely absent.

As for your experience, I would beat that the primary reason someone would observe improved cholesterol levels by switching to grass fed beef (assuming of course that there were no other dietary changes) is that it is lower in fat and higher in omega-3. I dare you to switch to a whole foods based semi-vegan diet: reduce your meat/egg (no dairy) consumption to 0~4 servings a week and only sea food or poultry, eat primarily whole foods (legumes, whole wheat, fruits, vegetables, potatoes, etc. ), and minimize your use of added fats and oils to less than 1 tablespoon a day. Do this for 6 months or more and there will be no questions....you'll know immediately which eating pattern is better. Seriously, I dare you......

Agreed... I will take you up on that dare... I am working to it.... Slow but sure..

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by user_id

It has worked rather well actually, that is why California has the largest economy in the union despite being a relatively new state in the union. But the social model in California is just a bit stronger than other states, most important policies are federal in nature.

Put that CA Kool-Aid down.

The CA economy is based upon Capitalism not Socialism. Economies benefit from producing not from taking.

Originally Posted by user_id

I never suggested that California doesn't have poverty, I said it doesn't have much of the deep poverty you see in Texas. You can see some of it here, but not like other states.

I thought the liberal social model has helped CA but yet poverty is increasing. Like I said the social liberal model is not working very well for the state.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

Good question... I suppose the big deal is you and I end up picking up the tab for those that do not take responsibility for their own actions. Obesity and its related diseases are costing tax payers billions, hampering citizens productivity and contributing to us becoming a lazy nation..

This is your post from this thread.

[NewToCA]

OK, the election was almost a week ago and this thread has become more of a philosophical discussion about taxes, poverty and the host of issues associated with money rather than Prop 37.

Thread is now closed.