Fines to be implemented for water waste in California (Santa Cruz: to buy, subsidized)

[Retired at 44]

Originally Posted by Wells5

Get used to burnt out lawns, dead shrubbery and empty swimming pools. The drought will only get worse. Here is a dire prediction:

Can you please post the source of this quote?

Thanks.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by Retired at 44

Can you please post the source of this quote?

Thanks.

You could use Google.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

The solution would be to increase the states reservoir capacity over the last few decades as demand for water grows.

Homeowners use so little water compared to agriculture that this fine is just feel good silliness. Agriculture uses 90+% of the water in this state, fining a home owner $500 for letting their sprinklers runs 10 minutes too long makes no difference. It is just another part of the liberal leadership fallacy.

Not only this but they should have been building desalination plants years ago instead of wasting billions on illegals and Welfare suckers. Most the general public doesn't even know some of the worst of it. I have a friend who is a farmer in northern CA. Things like all the liberal Democrats worried about SMELT being killed by being sucked up when farmers draw water from certain areas. So they have limited farmers use of water that many times have ruined crops in order to help save SMELT. That gives you and idea of just how far gone the liberal nuts who run this state are.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2C1MB20140313

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Wells5

Get used to burnt out lawns, dead shrubbery and empty swimming pools. The drought will only get worse. Here is a dire prediction:

Good. Maybe then all the illegals will head back to their countries and all the liberals who ruined this state will move up north or east and find other states to ruin. Home prices will drop and we can start rebuilding CA to the great state it once was.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Not only this but they should have been building desalination plants years ago instead of wasting billions on illegals and Welfare suckers. Most the general public doesn't even know some of the worst of it. I have a friend who is a farmer in northern CA. Things like all the liberal Democrats worried about SMELT being killed by being sucked up when farmers draw water from certain areas. So they have limited farmers use of water that many times have ruined crops in order to help save SMELT. That gives you and idea of just how far gone the liberal nuts who run this state are.

In drought-stricken California, court rules smelt fish get water | Reuters

Just as you know zip about your favorite neurotic rants on welfare and illegals - you know nothing about the reasons for protecting the Delta Smelt. No one cares about the actual smelt, mbell. Environmentalists, wisely, took advantage of the smelt to force protection of the entire Delta ecosystem. The health of which ecosystem is of essential, critical concern to pretty much every resident of the state. The health of the smelt is a bellwether for the health of the Delta system. You know, the source of much of the water the state relies on?

Whether they know it or not, almost all Californians rely upon the Sacramento–San Joaquin Delta. In fact, it supplies one of our most vital and precious natural resources: freshwater.

The 700,000-acre Delta is the heart of the largest estuary on the West Coast of the Americas and home to 750 distinct species of plants and animals, some found nowhere else on Earth. It also sustains farmland that produces about 45 percent of the nation’s fruits and vegetables.

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Just as you know zip about your favorite neurotic rants on welfare and illegals - you know nothing about the reasons for protecting the Delta Smelt. No one cares about the actual smelt, mbell. Environmentalists, wisely, took advantage of the smelt to force protection of the entire Delta ecosystem. The health of which ecosystem is of essential, critical concern to pretty much every resident of the state. The health of the smelt is a bellwether for the health of the Delta system. You know, the source of much of the water the state relies on?

Oh really? Post the article you quoted from then. This was all brought on by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wanting to protect FISH

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Oh really? Post the article you quoted from then. This was all brought on by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wanting to protect FISH

Oh really.

... reason to save the smelt: The goal of the Endangered Species Act is not just to protect single species but also the ecosystems on which they depend. The delta smelt is what Peter Moyle, a fisheries biologist at UC Davis, calls an indicator species: Its condition reflects the overall health of an ecosystem.

In the case of the delta, we're talking about a once-magnificent place that is in serious trouble. It is 16,000 square miles of wetland and open water -- the West Coast's largest estuary -- and the end point of about 40% of California's precipitation. When the Spanish arrived centuries ago, it was teeming with fish, crawling with bears and beavers, its skies periodically darkened with migrating birds.

Twenty-nine known fish species once called the delta home. Twelve of those are either gone altogether or are threatened with extinction. The Sacramento perch, once one of the most abundant fish in the system, was last seen in the 1970s, Moyle says. The thicktail chub disappeared in the 1950s. Many other fish are in rapid decline too, victims of pollution, overfishing and habitat destruction as big portions of the delta were diked and drained for agriculture, and the natural exchange of fresh and salt water was altered by the huge, sucking pumps that send water south. As for the delta smelt, Moyle has been charting its decline for decades. But that decline turned into a nose-dive a couple of years ago because of increased water diversions from the delta. This year's spring survey found 90% fewer fish than in 2006, the previous record low.
It's small, but it's a keeper - Los Angeles Times

SAVING THE DELTA SMELT
The tiny delta smelt is one of the best indicators of environmental conditions in the San Francisco Bay-Delta, an ecologically important estuary that is a major hub for California’s water system — and an ecosystem that is now rapidly unraveling. The “smeltdown in the Delta,” as the extinction trajectory of delta smelt is known, has left the once-abundant species in critical condition due to record-high water diversions, pollutants, and harmful nonnative species that thrive in the degraded Delta habitat.
This smelt’s catastrophic decline is a warning that we may lose other native Delta fish that have fallen to alarmingly low levels as well, such as longfin smelt, salmon, and sturgeon. In fact, the delta smelt is only one of 12 of the original 29 indigenous Delta fish species that have been eliminated entirely from the area or that are threatened with extinction. An extinction risk analysis in 2006 warned that the Delta smelt could go extinct within 20 years.
In 2007, when too few smelt were found during surveys to even calculate fish numbers, it was clear that the species was nearing extinction. Because federal and state agencies are failing to address the ecological problems in the Delta — moving forward with plans for water diversions and storage projects that will increase threats and further degrade Delta habitat — the Center is working to ratchet up protections for this species. A Center petition spurred the California Fish and Game Commission to upgrade its state protection status from threatened to endangered; we’ve also sued the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to achieve uplisting on the federal level.
The Delta habitat for delta smelt is polluted with often-lethal concentrations of herbicides and pesticides discharged and transported from California’s Central Valley into the fish’s estuary home. Toxic pulses of pesticides have been documented in the Delta during critical stages in fish development, and pesticides have been implicated in the recent collapse of the delta smelt population. The Center is challenging the Environmental Protection Agency’s registration and authorization-for-use of 46 toxic pesticides in and upstream of habitats for San Francisco Bay Area endangered species, including the Delta smelt; we continue to monitor and oppose harmful chemical pesticide use in California through our Pesticides Reduction Campaign.

Delta smelt

PRESERVING THE SACRAMENTO-SAN JOAQUIN DELTA
The Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta encompasses 1,600 square miles and drains more than 40 percent of California, with its waterways and wetlands forming the West Coast’s largest estuary. The Delta provides habitat for numerous species of fish and wildlife, with nearly half of the state’s migrating waterfowl and shorebirds and two-thirds of the state’s spawning salmon passing through it. But at least a dozen of the Delta’s original 29 indigenous fish species have been eliminated entirely or are currently threatened with extinction. Scientists are now warning of an ecological crash of fish populations and the Delta food web due to increasing water diversions for export, loss of habitat, increased competition and predation from introduced species, and impaired water quality caused by pesticides and other pollutants.
Since 2002, there has been a catastrophic collapse of the Delta’s open-water fishes. The Center is working to secure Endangered Species Act protections for numerous native Delta fish species, including delta smelt, longfin smelt, green sturgeon, Sacramento splittail, Central Valley steelhead trout, and Pacific lamprey. Incredibly, in the face of crashing fish populations, the state and federal agencies charged with protecting the fisheries under the state and federal Endangered Species Acts have failed to protect the Delta’s fish populations and have given approval for increased water diversions and more water storage projects. The Center and other conservation and fishing groups have a different vision of a restored Delta ecosystem and are fighting to reduce water exports, limit use of toxic pesticides, reverse declines of fish populations, and protect the ecology of one of the world’s greatest estuaries.

[clb10]

Originally Posted by Natural510

What's your solution, rain dancing?

Wave and solar powered desalination facilities:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/12/sc...ifornians.html

Environmental groups argue that the embrace of desalination represents a failure to manage freshwater effectively. They want much more aggressive programs focused on conservation and on reuse of existing supplies, pointing out that half of municipal water here still goes to grass and other lawn plants. These arguments have sometimes carried the day, as they did when voters in Santa Cruz effectively killed a desalination plant.

[GoldenZephyr]

Santa Cruz also has one of the lowest vaccination rates. No surprise they hate desalination as well. Hysterics and leftist politics go hand in hand.

Ripping out every lawn and killing every tree wouldn't even save 2% of water.

Leftists won't touch big ag because it ensures a huge flow of illegals to shore up their power base.

Illegal exploited cheap labor, the one place tyrannical leftists and republican chamber of commerce types find common ground.

[Des-Lab]

Originally Posted by GoldenZephyr

Ripping out every lawn and killing every tree wouldn't even save 2% of water.

Leftists won't touch big ag because it ensures a huge flow of illegals to shore up their power base.

Illegal exploited cheap labor, the one place tyrannical leftists and republican chamber of commerce types find common ground.

Nailed it. That's the crux of the whole issue summed up in three sentences. I'd rep you a million points if I could.