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View Poll Results: Why is the Bay area more expensive on average than So Cal?
It's because of the density of higher paying jobs, stupid 58 52.25%
The Bay area is so much nicer than So Cal, no really, I believe that 30 27.03%
So Cal is inhabited by uncivilized barbarians whereas the Bay area is not 10 9.01%
The fog is lovely in summer along the coast up this way, cool weather is nice, warm sucks 6 5.41%
People in So Cal do not even know how to read, right? 7 6.31%
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:48 PM
 
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Is San Jose considered part of the Bay area?
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:51 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The far northern parts of the state are doing ok, though their reservoirs are low.

OK, so winter is no longer an annual event. Less for the LA transplants to complain about, I guess.
But there was a spectacular snowfall a few years ago, on Mt. Diablo and Walnut Creek....
Outside of the mountains there was never a stereotypical winter anywhere in CA.

The last time there was a "spectacular snowfall" in Walnut Creek was the 1950's I believe.
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Old 03-07-2015, 08:58 PM
 
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This is something that perplexed me even when I lived in the Bay area. So have at it folks. Enjoy.
The Bay Area has higher paying industries coupled with uber restrictive zoning laws that restrict housing supply and drive up rents and home prices. SoCal also has a lot of restrictive zoning laws, but it's not as bad as the Bay Area.


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Old 03-07-2015, 09:08 PM
 
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I'm worried that struggling job markets will become the norm in the US, a permanent norm. People will just get used to it being that way, and will give up hope that things can improve nation-wide. What's scary about that is, what happens when there's another recession on top of this absence-of-a-recovery from the last crisis?
I worry about the same thing. We tried to paper over the 2001 recession by racking up debts (and truthfully, the trend started further back than that). That didn't work for long.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:10 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I worry about the same thing. We tried to paper over the 2001 recession by racking up debts (and truthfully, the trend started further back than that). That didn't work for long.
Yes. With Ronald Reagan.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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I worry about the same thing. We tried to paper over the 2001 recession by racking up debts (and truthfully, the trend started further back than that). That didn't work for long.
Well housing prices certainly bear that out. Americans are simply deeper and deeper in depth. Our entire system is based on debt and could crash. We certainly nearly did.

So Cal is not much cheaper than the Bay in terms of stratospheric real estate prices, and may be even more vulnerable to another crash. I think many here are in debt up their eyeballs and stretch based on lower wages than the Bay.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:19 PM
 
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Is San Jose considered part of the Bay area?
Yes.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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Yes. With Ronald Reagan.
Yes, it did go back to about 1980, although many of the laws loosening credit standards actually started in the late 1970s. And Elizabeth Warren (who is not a Republican) admitted as much in her book The Two Income Trap.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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Well housing prices certainly bear that out. Americans are simply deeper and deeper in debt. Our entire system is based on debt and could crash. We certainly nearly did.
I don't dispute this. But when do we start saying "Enough is enough. This isn't worth it. It's easier to live within your means in the long run than what we're doing now"?


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So Cal is not much cheaper than the Bay in terms of stratospheric real estate prices, and may be even more vulnerable to another crash. I think many here are in debt up their eyeballs and stretch based on lower wages than the Bay.
Yes, I read the same thing on the SoCal threads. The Bay Area has its share of pretenders, but it sounds as if SoCal has more such people.
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:33 PM
 
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OP, I generally like several of your posts, and I live in SoCal and love it, but part of that reason IS the simple fact that the Bay Area is more expensive. If the Bay Area had the same housing prices as SoCal is would be a lot tougher. At least if you were going to ask the question, at least explain why you think SoCal is nicer.
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