Automatic Voter Registration (2013, insurance, legally)

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310

The real deal? The real deal is the fact that voter fraud is a small problem. If it was larger there would be more prosecutions and more convictions. What's more important, facts or opinions? There is factual data to back up the poster you're replying to while only opinion backs up your statements.

Listen, if voter fraud was widespread I'm pretty sure the government would be investigating these abuses and prosecuting the offenders.. Why isn't this happening?

It's not happening because "your kind" does everything and anything possible to make it impossible to track, document and prosecute.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Ok fine, lets assume that every student needs a photo ID to register for college.

Mary tries to vote with her College ID but it is not honored, she needs to show the photo ID that she used to get the student ID.

Bill tries to vote with his CCW and is allowed to vote, he is not asked to show the ID that he used to get the CCW.

It's because a CCW is a state issued government ID that requires a FBI background check, fingerprints and a photo ID to get.

A college ID could be created by any college intern who happens to be working in the office that day, it's nowhere near as secure or on the same credibility level.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TheMoreYouKnow

It's because a CCW is a state issued government ID that requires a FBI background check, fingerprints and a photo ID to get.

A college ID could be created by any college intern who happens to be working in the office that day, it's nowhere near as secure or on the same credibility level.

Not according to another poster who said that all colleges require a photo ID, so if he is right and all colleges require a photo ID to get a college ID, then that college ID should be every bit as good as a CCW, right? After all, driver's licenses do not require fingerprinting or FBI background checks, and those are usually acceptable for voting, right? Or, are you suggesting that only CCWs are 'good enough' to prove who you are for voting purposes. Think this through before you dig even a bigger hole for yourself.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Here is a nice PDF that shows the types of voter fraud occurring across the US.
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/20...Merged-3-2.pdf
Don't Believe Voter Fraud Happens? Here's Some ExamplesNow tell me again how it's not widespread?

176 cases of voter fraud in the past 33 years in your first link and 7 more in the second link. Imagine that! And how many millions of votes were cast during that time? Let's see, that comes out to an average of a little over 5 voter fraud cases per year.

Thank you, you proved my case..voter fraud is so rare that it could not influence a single election. All of this nonsense about voter ID's is a solution in search of a problem.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but not only do I not take 'jaw-dropping' headlines from National Review very seriously but the Supreme Court decided that no state can require proof of citizenship for voting in a federal election- so tell me how much good all those photo ID's will do to stop non-citizens from voting. Bloomberg Politics

you can always read the study the article is based on, I'll wait for you to do that so you can respond instead of just keeping your head in the sand.

And states can require an ID to vote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craw...Election_Board

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

176 cases of voter fraud in the past 33 years in your first link and 7 more in the second link. Imagine that! And how many millions of votes were cast during that time? Let's see, that comes out to an average of a little over 5 voter fraud cases per year.

Thank you, you proved my case..voter fraud is so rare that it could not influence a single election. All of this nonsense about voter ID's is a solution in search of a problem.

You are basically arguing that the only people who speed are the ones who get tickets and everyone else who didn't get a ticket was not speeding and this is all happening on a freeway where everyone knows the police are not looking.

Look at the previous article and study I posted where 6% self identified as illegally voting. You would rather have the illegal votes than stomp out fraud.

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Not according to another poster who said that all colleges require a photo ID, so if he is right and all colleges require a photo ID to get a college ID, then that college ID should be every bit as good as a CCW, right? After all, driver's licenses do not require fingerprinting or FBI background checks, and those are usually acceptable for voting, right? Or, are you suggesting that only CCWs are 'good enough' to prove who you are for voting purposes. Think this through before you dig even a bigger hole for yourself.

You've now come full circle to the reason why CA issuing drivers licenses to illegal immigrants is such a large problem, especially when the state refuses to allow their database to be searchable by who is/isn't a legal US citizen.

A college ID may require a photo ID but the scrutiny behind it being issued is nothing compared to that of a government issued ID. A CCW requires a verified photo ID and it becomes a secondary photo ID after your fingerprints and criminal background check are verified. The college ID doesn't require any of that, it's just an ID so you can ring up your chips in the cafeteria or get into your dorm.

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[TheMoreYouKnow]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

You are basically arguing that the only people who speed are the ones who get tickets and everyone else who didn't get a ticket was not speeding and this is all happening on a freeway where everyone knows the police are not looking.

Look at the previous article and study I posted where 6% self identified as illegally voting. You would rather have the illegal votes than stomp out fraud.

Illegal voters vote democrat, of course he/she is supportive of these votes.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

you can always read the study the article is based on, I'll wait for you to do that so you can respond instead of just keeping your head in the sand.

And states can require an ID to vote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craw...Election_Board

I am familiar with that, but are you aware of this: The U.S. Supreme Court refused to consider letting states require evidence of citizenship when people register to vote for federal elections, rejecting an appeal from Arizona and Kansas. Bloomberg Politics

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by TheMoreYouKnow

You've now come full circle to the reason why CA issuing drivers licenses to illegal immigrants is such a large problem, especially when the state refuses to allow their database to be searchable by who is/isn't a legal US citizen.

A college ID may require a photo ID but the scrutiny behind it being issued is nothing compared to that of a government issued ID. A CCW requires a verified photo ID and it becomes a secondary photo ID after your fingerprints and criminal background check are verified. The college ID doesn't require any of that, it's just an ID so you can ring up your chips in the cafeteria or get into your dorm.

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What in the world are you talking about "search the California database by who is a citizen- there are ONLY citizens in the voter registrars database. Your comment about the 'scrutiny' with which a college issues a college ID makes no sense. If you think only CCW's are 'sufficient' ID for voting then by all means make your case for that. I don't think you have thought this through very well