Jerry Brown dragged Rick Scott (Florida Gov.) over California visit (Los Angeles: 2013, rent)

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Did I quote anything spewed by celebrities? Or have I directly presented science and logic?

Polluted state? Polluted by overpopulation and industry in areas with natural geographic limitations to air flow, you mean I suppose. No state in the union matches the pollution controls enacted by California. Too many people overusing resources - which is exactly what I am pointing out. Interesting you should mention it when it directly contradicts your irresponsible position.

More people need to move away. Preferably to Florida.

amen my brother !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEtoKKC_QNI

[nslander]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

It's surprising with all these geniuses California is one of the most polluted states. Once again, why do you listen to everything celebrities like Alec Baldwin have to spew?

Do you get all your climate research from Ted Nugent?

[jm1982]

Jerry Brown and many CA residents are in denial about businesses leaving CA.

It's not a handful of companies leaving.
Below is an excerpt from a very good article about businesses leaving CA due to high costs and over regulations.

"California’s elected officials dismiss stories about businesses leaving the state as anecdotal propaganda, but it’s hard to argue with the 200-plus pages of divestment events that Vranich’s report lists. Vranich has been conducting similar studies and publicly sharing his findings about thousands of ex-California companies since 2010, yet despite all the evidence, Governor Jerry Brown has made several public statements over the past few years denying a “mass exodus” of California businesses.

Read more at: Businesses Leave California; Texas Next Stop | National Review Online

Also I keep hearing people brag about CA being the 7th largest economy...but China is the #2 largest economy after the U.S..doesn't necessarily mean it's a hospitable place to do business or to live..

[nslander]

Yet the states' respective rates of job creation should give CA a lower unemployment rate by the end of the year.

TX is CA's 909.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Jerry Brown and many CA residents are in denial about businesses leaving CA.

It's not a handful of companies leaving.
Below is an excerpt from a very good article about businesses leaving CA due to high costs and over regulations.

"California’s elected officials dismiss stories about businesses leaving the state as anecdotal propaganda, but it’s hard to argue with the 200-plus pages of divestment events that Vranich’s report lists. Vranich has been conducting similar studies and publicly sharing his findings about thousands of ex-California companies since 2010, yet despite all the evidence, Governor Jerry Brown has made several public statements over the past few years denying a “mass exodus” of California businesses.

Read more at: Businesses Leave California; Texas Next Stop | National Review Online

Also I keep hearing people brag about CA being the 7th largest economy...but China is the #2 largest economy after the U.S..doesn't necessarily mean it's a hospitable place to do business or to live..

I'll repost my response from the other thread you are regurgitating this Vranich indigestion in:

Actually, jm, it's not a "good article' on the subject at all. It's a Joe Vranich marketing piece. Vranich is a highly paid consultant who specializes in moving businesses out of California. How he markets his service is by writing as many articles as he can find publishing venues to print. His articles target California business negatives against other states' positives to generate clients for himself. Magazines and newspapers sell controversy and fear and crisis, in case you never noticed before. So Vranich finds opportunity to sell himself by generating fear and controversy for businesses.

As for your inane comparison to China, I'll also repost my comment on that:

Whether China with a population of 1.4 Billion is a good place to live or work has nothing to do with California with a population of 38 million being impressive as an economy that maintains a growth status regardless how many businesses you cite leaving the state. Businesses have been opening and closing and moving and expanding here for a couple hundred years. And, unfortunately, the damn state keeps getting busier.

Funny thing about "better lifestyles", jm. Lifestyle quality is pretty much a personally subjective measure. It can be surveyed however for averaging satisfaction. Gallup has done this. Californians are exactly average, middle of the pack, out of 50 states in desire to leave or stay. If this state was the black hole you perpetually cry about, the desire to leave would exceed average, no?

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Did I quote anything spewed by celebrities? Or have I directly presented science and logic?

Polluted state? Polluted by overpopulation and industry in areas with natural geographic limitations to air flow, you mean I suppose. No state in the union matches the pollution controls enacted by California. Too many people overusing resources - which is exactly what I am pointing out. Interesting you should mention it when it directly contradicts your irresponsible position.

More people need to move away. Preferably to Florida.

Just saying the unsustainable land of homes and pools has nowhere near the level of pollution of the land of know it all sustainability-ists. If you had a beautiful yard would you take advice from someone with a brown weed covered yard? Nope

[jm1982]

So because he's a highly paid consultant what he says is not true?
Sounds like more denial.
Just a fact many people have given up on being able to own a home in CA especially in high cost areas like the Bay Area and Southern CA ( L.A,etc ) .
Unless they have own their homes for a long time and have a low or paid off mortgage many are viewing other states as more attractive.
Shouldn't be a shocker to you. Not everyone will want the same lifestyle as yourself.

[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by Unsettomati

Repeating something ad nauseam doesn't make it true.

Florida? 9th-lowest GDP of all 50 states.
California? 10th-highest GDP of all 50 states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

It must really be frustrating when reality just doesn't jibe with what you wish was true.

Florida's economy (not per capita GDP) is the fourth largest in the US. If it were a separate country (as Brown was comparing California to) it would rank 15th largest GDP in the world. Plus with 20 million people its the third most populous state. That's not insignificant. Brown's withering comment is just chest thumping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._%28nominal%29

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by BeauCharles

Florida's economy (not per capita GDP) is the fourth largest in the US. If it were a separate country (as Brown was comparing California to) it would rank 15th largest GDP in the world. Plus with 20 million people its the third most populous state. That's not insignificant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._%28nominal%29

And housing is actually affordable. Even near the beach areas, it's much more affordable than CA.

Also like Texas, no state income taxes, much lower gas costs,etc.
In CA even if you are miles from a beach it's cost prohibitive unless you make a lot of money or bought the house decades ago.

Costs WILL get hire also with the new minimum wage laws in CA.
This is very bad for retirees (and others too) too as costs will go up on anything for them too.
Florida or Texas will be seen as an even better option for them.
Truth is few people really NEED to live in CA.

[oldtrader]

California? 10th-highest GDP of all 50 states.

Most people do not understand what the GDP includes. It includes all goods produced in the estate, including investment goods, and government services and all household consumption goods. Due to the population they will use and produce more consumer goods than any other state is only logical, California having such a huge population, they should be #1 not #10 in GDP.

Here is an interesting pair of charts. Go to second one which will show what the average income of each state is after adjusting for cost of living. Note that Texas is ahead of California, and that exactly what the Texas governor is pitching. The companies can lower their cost of doing business, which makes them more competitive on the U.S. and world markets, and at the same time their employees can actually increase their standard of living moving to Texas. Why do you think the real reason Toyota moved to Texas, why do you think Apple is building their big lap top factory in Texas. The say move from Los Angeles to Texas you can lower your cost of doing business by as much as 40%.

Which States' Residents Have the Most Cash to Spend? -- The Motley Fool

And it has been in national news for years, about companies moving from California to Texas.

Businesses Leave California; Texas Next Stop | National Review Online

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/bl...xpansions.html

https://fee.org/articles/flooding-texas/

The previous Governor got a lot of good results in attempting to attract companies to move to Texas.

60 California Companies Relocated to Texas

The trade magazine read by CEO level people around the country, best states why companies are moving to Texas. California, New York and Illinois are rated as the worst states for businesses to be in, and Texas is rated as #1.

These articles best explain why the Texas Governors have for years been pitching to California Companies the fact that they can lower their cost of doing business, so they can be more competitive to be able to lower prices which will increase business, make a good profit, instead of maybe not making any in California some years.