People are not leaving CA due to taxes and regulation. (Los Angeles: apartments, to rent)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Actually if you think about it, they are leaving due to high taxes ...

But the statistics show it is lower income bracket folks who are leaving. And lower income folks - are those in lower tax brackets - who pay little to no state income tax. Um, so no, they aren't leaving because of taxes. As made clear. Over and over and over again here.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Which groups don't suffer the taxation burden - nor are they significantly impacted by any perceived over-regulation.

Funny part is you're not joking, you really are this clueless.

When taxes are high, EVERYONE is hit. No one escapes taxation regardless of what level of income you are at, not even the dumbest Keynesian apologist will make the claim "poor people are not significantly impacted by higher taxes and regulation".

When a business has to pay 40% more in regulatory cost, and pay higher salaries, they hire less people, and they become much more picky in who they even consider. This tends to have the effect of "raising the ladder" for those who are low skilled and in lower income brackets.

When an apartment development has to pay 35% more in regulatory cost to break ground because some jerk at the coastal commission wants to protect an endangered desert fern, the cost get passed onto the renters in the form of higher rents (which have increased across the state for 6 straight years).

When you are forced to smog a car every other year because it's more than 5 years old, and the registration rate increases by 10%, poor people DO NOT escape these increases in regulation/taxation.

Gas in the state is taxed at the 5th highest rate in the nation ( 2.25% + 30 cent excise / gallon). Poor people do NOT escape this tax.

I could go on and on and on but the point is, poor people do not escape taxation and higher regulatory cost. You prattle on about things you know little about, safe in the bubble of your complete ignorance and will probably continue to do so.

Higher taxes and regulation have the same exact effect as inflation in the long run, this is a basic Macroeconomic concept. You really need to get off your house boat, go pick up a few books, and realize that you're not very knowledgeable about the things you attempt to prattle on about.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

You mean there's a relationship between the two things? Who knew?

This thread shows just how embarrassingly uninformed most people (aka voters) in California are.

"People are not leaving because of taxes, it's because they're too poor to afford to live here."

... as if they suddenly just became TOO POOR out of the blue after being perfectly okay for a period of time.

[DenaDude]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

This thread shows just how embarrassingly uninformed most people (aka voters) in California are.

"People are not leaving because of taxes, it's because they're too poor to afford to live here."

... as if they suddenly just became TOO POOR out of the blue after being perfectly okay for a period of time.

Why don't you go find a handy graph that shows historical median income compared to median home price for the past 20 years.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by DenaDude

Why don't you go find a handy graph that shows historical median income compared to median home price for the past 20 years.

Why?

[DenaDude]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Why?

Because it would explain this phenomenon you're so confused by.

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

This thread shows just how embarrassingly uninformed most people (aka voters) in California are.

"People are not leaving because of taxes, it's because they're too poor to afford to live here."

... as if they suddenly just became TOO POOR out of the blue after being perfectly okay for a period of time.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Funny part is you're not joking, you really are this clueless.

When taxes are high, EVERYONE is hit. No one escapes taxation regardless of what level of income you are at, not even the dumbest Keynesian apologist will make the claim "poor people are not significantly impacted by higher taxes and regulation".

When a business has to pay 40% more in regulatory cost, and pay higher salaries, they hire less people, and they become much more picky in who they even consider. This tends to have the effect of "raising the ladder" for those who are low skilled and in lower income brackets.

When an apartment development has to pay 35% more in regulatory cost to break ground because some jerk at the coastal commission wants to protect an endangered desert fern, the cost get passed onto the renters in the form of higher rents (which have increased across the state for 6 straight years).

When you are forced to smog a car every other year because it's more than 5 years old, and the registration rate increases by 10%, poor people DO NOT escape these increases in regulation/taxation.

Gas in the state is taxed at the 5th highest rate in the nation ( 2.25% + 30 cent excise / gallon). Poor people do NOT escape this tax.

I could go on and on and on but the point is, poor people do not escape taxation and higher regulatory cost. You prattle on about things you know little about, safe in the bubble of your complete ignorance and will probably continue to do so.

Higher taxes and regulation have the same exact effect as inflation in the long run, this is a basic Macroeconomic concept. You really need to get off your house boat, go pick up a few books, and realize that you're not very knowledgeable about the things you attempt to prattle on about.

Plus to most people "Taxes" covers all the "Fees" as well. The use of "Fee
is just away around the requirement for, I believe, a 66% vote in favor to raise a tax.

Tax or Fee it still comes out of your pocket and is a ... tax by another name.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Actually if you think about it, they are leaving due to high taxes and overall col, but yes, it is the lower income who are exiting, certainly not those in the higher income brackets.

nobody is asking, well, who are the people who are moving into California? Seems like there has to be someone who is buying up the homes from folks leaving the state.

[zzzzmore]

Originally Posted by silverkris

nobody is asking, well, who are the people who are moving into California? Seems like there has to be someone who is buying up the homes from folks leaving the state.

Take a trip through Salinas, Santa Maria or Bakersfield. You'll find whom it is the residents are replaced with.

Look, as the Gov and Light Gov have said "There's two California's in them thair hills."

One is for the ultra wealthy along the coast. One is for the poor everywhere else.

The folks not on either category are not welcome and gone by the hour to "Texas" since apparently CA maps only show the rest of the country as being Texas.

[zzzzmore]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

What is humorously loud and clear is your refusal to read statistics as you feed on anecdotal stories.

Dog gone it - That must be why I don't got any city-data stars.