Permanent Daylight Savings (Los Angeles, San Francisco: activities, parks, cheap)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Arizona and Hawaii are on the standard time of their time zones, not DST.

Obviously. And since it's hotter than heck most of the year in AZ, they don't need--or apparently want--any more daylight.

The point is, it's one time, not going back and forth, switching clocks (and body clocks), which is what people were tired of and most likely why they voted for this proposition.

Originally Posted by Gentoo

As someone mentioned, a state cannot stay on DST but can opt out of it. Staying on DST would actually be moving time zones and that would require congressional approval. Good luck with that.

A yes vote supported allowing the California State Legislature to (1) change the dates and times of the daylight saving time (DST) period, as consistent with federal law, by a two-thirds vote and (2) establish permanent, year-round DST in California by a two-thirds vote if federal law is changed to allow for permanent DST.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_P..._Measure_(2018)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

I can't explain Arizona but as for Hawaii. How can you not be happy, living in paradise?

Hawaii is not the paradise of travel posters.

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

Seriously, you are saying that a handful of disgruntled people on CD reflects the feelings of all Californians? Aw c'mon, Tulemutt. I thought you were smarter than that.

I seriously doubt my sarcasm escaped you Mars

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Obviously. And since it's hotter than heck most of the year in AZ, they don't need--or apparently want--any more daylight.

The point is, it's one time, not going back and forth, switching clocks (and body clocks), which is what people were tired of and most likely why they voted for this proposition.



A yes vote supported allowing the California State Legislature to (1) change the dates and times of the daylight saving time (DST) period, as consistent with federal law, by a two-thirds vote and (2) establish permanent, year-round DST in California by a two-thirds vote if federal law is changed to allow for permanent DST.

https://ballotpedia.org/California_P..._Measure_(2018)

Ok again, a state cannot stay on DST without congressional approval. Most of us don't leave our time zones so we may not see how much of a pain this would be to travel and commerce to have CA on Mountain Time while two of it's three neighboring states, one to the east are still on Pacific Time. I know a lot of us are afraid of the dark but it just isn't feasible to do it the way that ballot has it written. Florida tried the same thing last election and congress voted it down. Standard time is the default.

[citizensadvocate]

I would be curious whether permanent daylight time be a more popular option if more trading partner does it.
As it would get rid of headaches of time differences.
Parts of the EU and Russia had done it, and now the EU is proposing year round "summer time" for all members.

I know parts of the world that got rid of DST was mostly because they don't like the bi annual clock changes. But if that is out of the picture there isn't much reason to hate it given that it puts them in line with their trading partners.

Though the winter evening darkness would be an issue if year round "summer time" is set and winter time abolished" I
Schools should consider starting later i.e at nine rather than eight if this is implemented. Many schools start way too early anyways these days.

Daylight time don't affect temperatures.
The logic of Arizona is weird as staying on winter time only means its going to get hot earlier in the morning. The only time one can actually come out to do something. Though the amount of heat they receive throughout the day is exactly the same. Though having daylight in the evening rather than the morning is more useful for people.
Unless Arizonians have the habit of doing outside work at 4 in the morning to avoid the heat. And that its acceptable to run noisy tools that early in that state.

[payutenyodagimas]

people working and have kids in school dont have much use of DST. we always need to sleep early whether the sun is still up or not

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

Schools should consider starting later i.e at nine rather than eight if this is implemented. Many schools start way too early anyways these days.

^^^This. Kids would be going to school in the dark with permanent DST and morning commutes would be entirely in the dark. Since the days also get shorter naturally in winter, you might have 45 minutes to an hour of daylight once you leave work. We can change our clocks to permanent "summer time" but we can't change the tilt of the earth.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

^^^This. Kids would be going to school in the dark with permanent DST and morning commutes would be entirely in the dark. Since the days also get shorter naturally in winter, you might have 45 minutes to an hour of daylight once you leave work. We can change our clocks to permanent "summer time" but we can't change the tilt of the earth.

Wait! What are you saying? We’re the greatest creatures in the greatest nation on earth ... you can do ANYTHING you put your mind to ... Mother always told me that.

I’m not buyin it

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

Daylight time don't affect temperatures. The logic of Arizona is weird as staying on winter time only means its going to get hot earlier in the morning. The only time one can actually come out to do something. Though the amount of heat they receive throughout the day is exactly the same.

Early morning temperatures are nothing like afternoon and evening temperatures in Arizona. Ever been there in the summer?

This year, Arizona celebrated its 50th anniversary of shunning daylight-saving time. In 1968, the state Legislature voted to opt out of the Uniform Time Act that mandated daylight-saving time, a move that pushed sunset to a later hour. That was just not going to fly in a state where triple digits go on for months and residents wake up rooting for sunset.

Why Arizona doesn't observe daylight-saving time: https://www.azcentral.com/story/trav...time/98639074/

[citizensadvocate]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

people working and have kids in school dont have much use of DST. we always need to sleep early whether the sun is still up or not

Though the advantage of summer DST is that kids get some playtime in the light after dinner before they go to sleep on school nights. Especially as afternoons after school are now increasingly occupied with homework and studies as schools become more and more competitive these days. This helps kids stay healthy.
It also means more daylight during summer vacations for outdoor activities. It also comes in handy when families go on vacation as activities stop when the darkness falls .

[payutenyodagimas]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

Though the advantage of summer DST is that kids get some playtime in the light after dinner before they go to sleep on school nights. Especially as afternoons after school are now increasingly occupied with homework and studies as schools become more and more competitive these days. This helps kids stay healthy.
It also means more daylight during summer vacations for outdoor activities. It also comes in handy when families go on vacation as activities stop when the darkness falls .

forget to add: during school days