Anyone else vote NO on all bond measures besides me? (school, cost of)

[JohnSoCal]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

4 and 2 are bond measures.

He/she didn't say they weren't bond measures.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

The childrens' hospital proposition is a joke. It only profits supposedly "non-profit" "childrens" hospitals that are private businesses. Just because they are "non-profit" doesn't mean they don't rake in tons of money. It just means they spend every dime they get. It can mean they pay ridiculous sums to their CEOs, etc.

Non-profit just means they spend every dime they take in. Think about that.

And, they get big tax-breaks for being a supposed "non-profit", as if that equates some kind of charity.

Just look at the salaries of the upper management, and then tell me you think they are some kind of charity.

It's a total scam.

They are a private industry that has been regularly subsidized by taxpayer money. Which is totally insane.

Why am I subsidizing some private enterprise that doesn't even cover me, personally, with my health insurance?

Do they cover you with your health insurance? Not likely.

So, why are you paying taxes that ensure they make a profit every year?

And, look at how the money breaks down. Most of this money goes to these private businesses, with a tiny percentage going to state hospitals that are dedicated childrens hospitals. But, what about the 150 hospitals that take care of everyone - AND - children? They get $1 million each, instead of the $154 million each for the private "children- only" hospitals.

Does that make sense to you?

So, if your local hospital, which might be a public hospital, like a county hospital, takes care of everyone - AND - children, they should only get $1 million? When these private "children only" hospitals get $154 million?

Does that really sound fair and reasonable?

And then, you should know who wrote this proposition. Yep, it was written by these privately owned "childrens" hospitals.

And why? Because the money they got you to agree to fund them with last time - runs out next year.

They put these propositions on the ballot and tug at your heart strings, making you think you are helping dying children.

But, the way they are writing these props just benefits them, and isn't fair.

Voting no doesn't mean you don't care about sick kids - it means you think your local county hospitals should get an equal share of the money. That it all shouldn't go to some private enterprise that tries to trick you into thinking they are doing more than your local county hospital is, as far as taking care of the kids in your neighborhoods.

it's a total sham, and I hope you can see that and vote no. It's a scam. And it just really reiterates that we really need a single payer health plan that covers everyone. We really need to take the profit out of healthcare.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

I always vote 'no' on bonds. The last thing CA needs to do is spend money we don't have, especially considering how much CA spends on things it should not be funding.

But alas, most bond measures get passed since most voters seem to equate 'bond' with magically pulling money from the aether.

[JohnSoCal]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I always vote 'no' on bonds. The last thing CA needs to do is spend money we don't have, especially considering how much CA spends on things it should not be funding.

But alas, most bond measures get passed since most voters seem to equate 'bond' with magically pulling money from the aether.

Very true!

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I always vote 'no' on bonds. The last thing CA needs to do is spend money we don't have, especially considering how much CA spends on things it should not be funding.

But alas, most bond measures get passed since most voters seem to equate 'bond' with magically pulling money from the aether.

So true. Many voters don't understand that bonds are paid back with taxes. They are fooled by the claims that this bond proposition doesn't include a tax increase. But, what they don't understand, is that even if that prop doesnt include a tax increase - the bond debt they will vote on - is paid back with tax dollars. So, eventually, taxes will have to pay it back - which will probably mean they'll have to pay higher taxes eventually, to pay back the bonds ..... etc.

[JohnSoCal]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

The childrens' hospital proposition is a joke. It only profits supposedly "non-profit" "childrens" hospitals that are private businesses. Just because they are "non-profit" doesn't mean they don't rake in tons of money. It just means they spend every dime they get. It can mean they pay ridiculous sums to their CEOs, etc.

Non-profit just means they spend every dime they take in. Think about that.

And, they get big tax-breaks for being a supposed "non-profit", as if that equates some kind of charity.

Just look at the salaries of the upper management, and then tell me you think they are some kind of charity.

It's a total scam.

They are a private industry that has been regularly subsidized by taxpayer money. Which is totally insane.

Why am I subsidizing some private enterprise that doesn't even cover me, personally, with my health insurance?

Do they cover you with your health insurance? Not likely.

So, why are you paying taxes that ensure they make a profit every year?

And, look at how the money breaks down. Most of this money goes to these private businesses, with a tiny percentage going to state hospitals that are dedicated childrens hospitals. But, what about the 150 hospitals that take care of everyone - AND - children? They get $1 million each, instead of the $154 million each for the private "children- only" hospitals.

Does that make sense to you?

So, if your local hospital, which might be a public hospital, like a county hospital, takes care of everyone - AND - children, they should only get $1 million? When these private "children only" hospitals get $154 million?

Does that really sound fair and reasonable?

And then, you should know who wrote this proposition. Yep, it was written by these privately owned "childrens" hospitals.

And why? Because the money they got you to agree to fund them with last time - runs out next year.

They put these propositions on the ballot and tug at your heart strings, making you think you are helping dying children.

But, the way they are writing these props just benefits them, and isn't fair.

Voting no doesn't mean you don't care about sick kids - it means you think your local county hospitals should get an equal share of the money. That it all shouldn't go to some private enterprise that tries to trick you into thinking they are doing more than your local county hospital is, as far as taking care of the kids in your neighborhoods.

it's a total sham, and I hope you can see that and vote no. It's a scam. And it just really reiterates that we really need a single payer health plan that covers everyone. We really need to take the profit out of healthcare.

We do not need a government run single payer system. Be careful what you wish for. I lived in Canada with their syatem and it is not good. You get rationed care, very long delays to see specialists, get MRIs, etc. My sister, who lives in BC Canada, had a knee replacement. She had to wait 13 months to just see an orthopedic surgeon and another 12 months before it was done. The quality of care is much worse.

I had a hip replacement last year and it was all done in a week and very successful.
Look how the government has screwed up the VA health care.

[shooting4life]

If it costs money it is a no vote.

I cant see raising taxes or taking loans until this state stops wasting money on things like the bullet train.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

If it costs money it is a no vote.

I cant see raising taxes or taking loans until this state stops wasting money on things like the bullet train.

I’m not feeding the dog until he stops pooping in the backyard. He’s a good watchdog. Keeps bad people from breaking in the house. But I’m tired of his poop to clean up. And he gets into my trash basket sometimes and I have to pick that mess up too!

If he starves to death - he starves to death. Teach him a lesson! Then we can get on with life!

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by JohnSoCal

We do not need a government run single payer system. Be careful what you wish for. I lived in Canada with their syatem and it is not good. You get rationed care, very long delays to see specialists, get MRIs, etc. My sister, who lives in BC Canada, had a knee replacement. She had to wait 13 months to just see an orthopedic surgeon and another 12 months before it was done. The quality of care is much worse.

I had a hip replacement last year and it was all done in a week and very successful.
Look how the government has screwed up the VA health care.

The VA health care system has had its hiccups in recent years ... mostly having to do with getting enrolled and certain locations being grossly overburdend. However, it is well considered one of the world’s finest health care models. Once you’re in, the care is mostly excellent.

John, interesting. In another thread you just made an observation about how I seemed to mostly be unsupportive of politicians and disrespectful of them. Ever similarly consider your own views on our nation’s systems? You sure seem to do your share of complaining.

[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Prop 7, the permanent daylight saving time proposition, would cost nothing

Little kids don't need to be going to school in the dark just so you can have a bit more light after work (and it will still get dark by 6pm in December even with it). I'd much rather have a proposition to vote on keeping standard time year round (as it should be).