For those leaving California - Conservatives (Paradise: transporting, club, transport)

[teddyearp]

So, ON topic, I left California in 1996. I was born and raised there. I used to love it. But when convicted felons rob me in a home invasion robbery with sawed off shotguns and sawed off rifles and get 2 years, out in one; and then I, coming home from shooting black powder pistols I get arrested, lose them forever, and almost charged with a felony because of the way I transported them? Plus, even going to temp agencies, I couldn't get a job doing ANYTHING. I was almost homeless living in my car part of the time.

A visit to Arizona. Go to a temp agency. Get work that day and everyday I want to work. Police investigate me as I am car camping and they are looking for someone. Asked if I have any weapons. Yeah, got a pistol in the glove box. It's loaded. Police open glove box, say, it's in a holster, you're OK and close my glove box.

Need I say more? Came back to Cali, finished up my business and moved to Arizona the next year. Live up on the mountain and it is great.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

WTF? What branch of the government is doctoring the figures? Here's a report from the Feds, from HUD. Go to page 14 for the number of homeless in California (129,972) Now go to page 20 and you will find the number of homeless in LA City & County for 2018; 49,955.

That is straight from Gentle Ben Carson, Trump's right hand man. Do you really think he would 'doctor' the numbers to make things look better for California, a state that Trump hates?

I think Trump just claims to hate California because:


1. He knows his base will like that sentiment.
2. Some people from California, especially some politicians, criticize him.


If he really hated California that much he'd sell his golf course on the PV peninsula, even if he had to take a loss on it.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Leona Valley

Let’s talk about the thread topic. I listed the reasons I moved. Are you leaving the state? If so, why?

I think my jaw would hit the ground if 2sleepy ever moved out of the state again .

[NorCalMan]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

So, ON topic, I left California in 1996. I was born and raised there. I used to love it. But when convicted felons rob me in a home invasion robbery with sawed off shotguns and sawed off rifles and get 2 years, out in one; and then I, coming home from shooting black powder pistols I get arrested, lose them forever, and almost charged with a felony because of the way I transported them? Plus, even going to temp agencies, I couldn't get a job doing ANYTHING. I was almost homeless living in my car part of the time.

A visit to Arizona. Go to a temp agency. Get work that day and everyday I want to work. Police investigate me as I am car camping and they are looking for someone. Asked if I have any weapons. Yeah, got a pistol in the glove box. It's loaded. Police open glove box, say, it's in a holster, you're OK and close my glove box.

Need I say more? Came back to Cali, finished up my business and moved to Arizona the next year. Live up on the mountain and it is great.

What city did you leave?

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by NorCalMan

What city did you leave?

Kept getting interupted with work, lol, so here's that.

I started in San Gabriel, moved to Leucadia in 73, then to Long Beach for a time and then Lake Elsinore in '79. And Lake Elsinore is where I made my escape from. Had 2,300 people at first. One could go hiking in the mountains at the end of most streets, or take drives down back roads and not see anyone. By the time I left, and this is another reason as well to leave, I was trying to find somewhere remote on a back dirt road, but every time I would cross a ridge and drop into the next draw, there was someone's McMansion (or 3-4) overlooking the whole place. Every access to the mountains now had private property via huge housing tracts blocking access to the N.F. The population of Lake Elsinore when I left was 30,000+.

In Leucadia, I used to hike down the railroad tracks with my BB gun. I used to go on the other side of the freeway to hike the hills. Now, I cannot recognize the place.

So, folks, when you say there are areas of California that are not populated, what you really should say, is not _that_ populated, say compared to L.A. hehe. And it will do nothing but grow, but that happens every where. I have seen it grow quite a bit here on the mountain in the years as well.

[colt22]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

id like to see the effect of depopulation in housing prices and traffic

id like to drive on the I5 and 405 and doesnt have to dread passing LA on my way to Santa Barbara or Central Valley

been hearing depopulation for years but seems to me people just keep on coming

Some people unfortunately aren't being counted...

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Leona Valley

Let’s talk about the thread topic. I listed the reasons I moved. Are you leaving the state? If so, why?

Nope, I lived in Nevada for 14 years, the day my husband put in for his retirement we put our home up for sale and moved back to California. I love the state, I'm a 3rd generation native and just like every other place, California has it's warts and wrinkles but I don't want to live anywhere else.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

So, ON topic, I left California in 1996. I was born and raised there. I used to love it. But when convicted felons rob me in a home invasion robbery with sawed off shotguns and sawed off rifles and get 2 years, out in one; and then I, coming home from shooting black powder pistols I get arrested, lose them forever, and almost charged with a felony because of the way I transported them? .

The problem with your story is that no one ever got 2 years for a home invasion robbery, and until around 2011 or 2012 no one was allowed released after serving 1/2 of their sentence, you had to serve 2/3 of your sentence for a non-violent crime and 85% for a violent crime. And, if it was 1994 or later three strikes was in effect and robbery is a strike offense so if their prior was a strike offense they would have to serve twice their term, or about 30-40 years total with a gun enhancement. So it either wasn't a home invasion robbery or you were misinformed about their sentence.

And no one ever just happens to get arrested when they come home from shooting black powder pistols, I won't speculate as to what might have happened but I'm sure there is more to it than what you are telling us.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

I think my jaw would hit the ground if 2sleepy ever moved out of the state again .

Your jaw is safe, I'm not going anywhere

[colt22]

Originally Posted by NorCalMan

I'm not on FB, I don't do social media. I get my news from all sources, from HuffPo to Breitbart, CNN to Fox. It's up to me to decide what is partisan garbage or the truth.

I don't do rallies, marches, speeches or anything where group think influences rational decision making.

This might surprise you: my closest, life long friends whom I've known since high school are all liberal. Two of them are Sanders socialists, two more are gay and married to their partners. I love them all. You can imagine the discussions we get into. The discussions are just that though. It's a give and take, point counter point discussion. I see validity in some of their views, they see validity in some of mine. We don't shout each other down, or demean. (I would be willing to bet that if all of us here were sitting across from each other in a room that this entire conversation would be a lot less demeaning. There's a certain amount of keyboard Warrior that happens in the isolated bubble of the internet).

I didn't fully realize how conservative I was until about halfway through Obama's presidency, and my views have only become more conservative since. Mostly on fiscal and immigration issues. My first votes after I turned 18 were for Clinton, Gore. But even their politics would seem conservative in today's political climate. Especially since both of them and Obama were for strong immigration laws and a wall (as were Pelosi, Boxer, Schumer and others who now blame Trump for everything)

I changed my political affiliation from Democrat to Republican in 2011/12, the vilification of law enforcement by Obama led the way nationally, the percieved misuse of my tax dollars led the way locally. While I was now technically a Republican who leaned left (RINO), as the father of a teenage girl, it was the murders of Kate Steinle and Mollie Tibbets that fully solidified my position on immigration in this country, and simultaneously broke whatever last connection I had to the DNC. While I'm sympathetic to the plight of immigrants, we are a nation of laws and without laws we are nothing. This state and our elected officials are flaunting our immigration laws and that's something I can't get behind.

So, I and my wife feel like we're on an island.We've lived here our whole lives, we own a home, we have great friends, our daughter has a great School, but the elected officials and the decisions that they make don't represent us, and I don't think they ever will as this state is only going to go more left. Maybe to the point where the AOC's of the world make Newsom look like Alex Jones and tax rates become 40%.

That's the long and the short of it.

I prefer not to discuss politics myself. I wasn't planning on talking politics on this thread, I simply wanted to voice my opinion on why we wanted to leave. You can see how this thread has devolved though, it's emblematic of where we are as a nation. I much prefer to talk about sports. Speaking of, if Jimmy Garoppolo can manage to stop getting laid out by Defenders he might survive to the end of the season, and the Niners might make a good run into the post season.

Well said.