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Old 10-22-2015, 10:11 PM
 
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It seems the last four of five pages of posts only prove the OP's assertion: the biggest thing we can howl about when it comes to Stephen Harper are matters related to what people can put on their heads.
Hardly turning Canada upside down.
No I think it was a very small part of our wanting him gone, Headwear was what he brought up in order to gain votes.

The muzzling of scientists, the mean spiritness of him and his cabinet ministers in question period, senate scandal, attack of human rights groups, the refusal for the missing women inquiry and our actions on the world stage were all bigger concerns. If you want proof of that look at the poll numbers through the campaign, the Conservatives really did not change much throughout the 21 weeks and the Headwear controversy did not change their popularity.

Canada was hardly turned upside down. We returned to the Liberals and got rid of a highly disliked leader. Don't take my words for it, Calgary conservative candidates claim that Harper was unpopular in his home city. Ron Libert if you are looking for comments. I think the G8 spending spree was a bigger scandal than the sponsorship scandal and that was enough to get rid of a leader whose policies allowed us to mostly avoid the worse of 2008. I hope the conservatives pick a better leader this time.
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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That's the Trudeau situation today as well where it's not okay to remove men from the courtroom for wearing a hat. Today, it's okay for men to wear cowboy hats and baseball hats at the dinner table, in Church, and in the courtroom and there's no one who can say anything about it because there is now a new law that permits everyone to wear whatever they want on the head in any situation in Canada based on personal preference.
No, there is no such law.

Men are still not allowed to wear hats in Canadian courtrooms. I was in a courtroom today; again, the sheriffs instructed men to remove their hats. All did; the sheriffs did not have to escort anybody out.

Dinner table manners regarding hats are up to the host. If a guest in my home insists on wearing a hat to my table, they will be asked to remove it, and if they refuse, they will be told to leave and they will never be a guest again. Same with church: no law can overcome a church's policy of "no hats for men during services." No law can overturn how I deal with dinner guests, or a church with traditions.

You seem to ascribe much more power to the "niqab law" than it actually has. Wear your baseball cap in the dining room of the Royal York Hotel in Toronto, and when they throw you out, cite the law. I'll bet you'll still end up in the curb lane of Front Street, without a legal ground to stand on.
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Old 10-23-2015, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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I hope the conservatives pick a better leader this time.
A better leader how? Harper brought them from the wilderness and held power and was successful for a decade. Regardless of his exit, they could do well to find someone who was just as "bad".
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Old 10-23-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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A better leader how? Harper brought them from the wilderness and held power and was successful for a decade. Regardless of his exit, they could do well to find someone who was just as "bad".
He was vindictive and mean spirited, not just my view but also from some of his advisors. Harper also chased away the more progressive or Red Tory folks from the party. He did not bring the party from the wilderness, the split of votes between the alliance and pc parties kept them lower in seats but still not what the liberals dropped to. I am not sure how you mean successful, if it as a good leader or is it good for the country or simply that he staid in power?

When I said I hoped for a better leader I was referring to a person more suitable to lead a major party, less devisive, more willing to share power with his caucus and more interested in being a leader of a broad party rather than for a small group. Where I live it did not matter what he did his party was going to get elected with little challenge. I voted PC from the time of Stanfield to the last PC leader but could not stand Harper's tone, policies or how he treated even those within his own party. From what I read he was feared by party members and by this election hated by too many Canadians.

In 1993 election the cobination of votes of the pc and reform was a greater percentage than Harper got this time and the reform, alliance or conservative party was the official opposition most of that period, hardly the wilderness.
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Old 10-23-2015, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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During the 10 years that Canada had a conservative government what policies were implemented that would be conservative?

For example did they make any attempt to change the HC system away from single payer?

Did they cut environmental safeguards?

Did they build up your military?

Pass laws with stricter criminal penalties?

End same sex marriage?

Thanks

The original post really has little to do with all of the feelings that people on here have about Harper.
The evidence and this thread really do suggest that he did not change Canada much in his years in office. Not in the way of making Canada any more conservative.
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Old 10-23-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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The original post really has little to do with all of the feelings that people on here have about Harper.
The evidence and this thread really do suggest that he did not change Canada much in his years in office. Not in the way of making Canada any more conservative.
As a Canadian and a former conservative I disagree with you. Weaken environmental laws. He has made a much greater emphasis on the military and military history. Passed minimum sentences and claimed that crime was on the increase. Perhaps being conservative is not limited to simply your defining points.
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Old 10-24-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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As a Canadian and a former conservative I disagree with you. Weaken environmental laws. He has made a much greater emphasis on the military and military history. Passed minimum sentences and claimed that crime was on the increase. Perhaps being conservative is not limited to simply your defining points.
And did it in such a way so as to ignore senior military advice along with veterans being mistreated and pensions clawed back for all along with the RCMP.

I'm watching this one with great interest as I'm no fan of the F-35 for Canada's northern patrol needs.

Baloney Meter: Would scrapping F-35 plan 'crater' Canada's aerospace industry? - Politics - CBC News
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Old 10-24-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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No, there is no such law.

Men are still not allowed to wear hats in Canadian courtrooms. I was in a courtroom today; again, the sheriffs instructed men to remove their hats. All did; the sheriffs did not have to escort anybody out.

Dinner table manners regarding hats are up to the host. If a guest in my home insists on wearing a hat to my table, they will be asked to remove it, and if they refuse, they will be told to leave and they will never be a guest again. Same with church: no law can overcome a church's policy of "no hats for men during services." No law can overturn how I deal with dinner guests, or a church with traditions.

You seem to ascribe much more power to the "niqab law" than it actually has. Wear your baseball cap in the dining room of the Royal York Hotel in Toronto, and when they throw you out, cite the law. I'll bet you'll still end up in the curb lane of Front Street, without a legal ground to stand on.
I can still feel the slap at the back of my head by my father if I showed up at the table to eat with a baseball cap on.
Only did it twice.

It's an interesting custom. I wonder how it started? Was it because of the habit of saying " grace " before dinner and out of respect, men removed their hats?
The grace part has gone in my life, but I still cringe when I see a man wearing a hat in a restaurant.

Amazing what gets ingrained. If you think about it, why is a man wearing a hat wrong, when women can do it
without worry?

Do women have to remove headgear in court? If not, perhaps I'll start a sex discrimination case. LOL

Anyone?
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