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Old 10-24-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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........ As far as having to wait for treatment my wife's doctor prescribed PT 3 years ago and we are still waiting. .....Doctors on the fee for service basis, scam the system by having patients come back for useless office visits so they can bill the province for a visit.
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........ We frequently have to wait hours just for a walk in clinic and the hospital is 3-6 hours even if there is no one else waiting......
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Your posts are confusing and it sounds like there's some conflict of interests happening. You have said that you don't live in Canada, never have lived in Canada and never will. But you have made comments about you and your wife having to wait for treatments in Canada. Can you clarify - does your wife live in Canada and you live in America and you just go there from time to time to visit her? .... or what?

Why doesn't your wife live with you in America so that she wouldn't have to wait to get timely medical treatments?

If she does live with you in America then why is she waiting for treatment in Canada and how does she qualify for provincial healthcare in Canada?

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Oh wait! Thundarr, you needn't bother answering my questions. A quick review of some of your first posts in August shows that you claim that you and your wife of 6 years are retired seniors who both live in America and you have been doing a bit of travelling around the south looking together for a warmer place in southern USA for the two of you to relocate to. So you can both escape from the cold in Buffalo.

That tells me your wife (that you've been married to for 6 years) is not a resident in Canada and therefore is not eligible for Canadian health care coverage in Canada and is not waiting for any medical treatment in Canada at all, let alone having been waiting for PT in Canada for the past 3 years.

This leads me to believe that all of your personal anecdotes about her's and your's and her relative's and other sundry people's problems with waiting for health care in Canada are just made up stories.

I really don't understand why some foreigners feel the need to make up negative stories about another country just to make it look bad to other foreigners. Really .... what is the point?

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Old 10-24-2015, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I really don't understand why some foreigners feel the need to make up negative stories about another country just to make it look bad to other foreigners. Really .... what is the point?

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The one topic that is an endearing one for them is healthcare. For some reason they always have to provide a 'story' about long wait times and health care nightmares in Canada as if they are experts on the subject matter. Their healthcare critiques of Canada are to them what our crime and gun violence critiques of the U.S are to us.

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Old 10-24-2015, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Flahrida
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Oh wait! Thundarr, you needn't bother answering my questions. A quick review of some of your first posts in August shows that you claim that you and your wife of 6 years are retired seniors who both live in America and you have been doing a bit of travelling around the south looking together for a warmer place in southern USA for the two of you to relocate to. So you can both escape from the cold in Buffalo.

That tells me your wife (that you've been married to for 6 years) is not a resident in Canada and therefore is not eligible for Canadian health care coverage in Canada and is not waiting for any medical treatment in Canada at all, let alone having been waiting for PT in Canada for the past 3 years.

This leads me to believe that all of your personal anecdotes about her's and your's and her relative's and other sundry people's problems with waiting for health care in Canada are just made up stories.

I really don't understand why some foreigners feel the need to make up negative stories about another country just to make it look bad to other foreigners. Really .... what is the point?

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You can believe whatever you want. Those were not made up stories as my wife's parents still live in Canada. My friends and my fathers family still live in Canada as well and we travel there weekly. As for the PT my wife was not my wife when she was prescribed that and 3 years did pass. I was just describing what I liked and dislike about Canada. The good far outweighs the bad and if it weren't for the aforementioned healthcare, house prices and climate I would have long since moved there. Since my father was a Canadian citizen when I was born I am eligible for Canadian Citizenship which I have considered but since we will be relocating in the South USA there was no point. I will conclude by saying I love Canada and since I am 1/2 Canadian by birth and I will always have an affinity for it.
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Old 10-25-2015, 04:00 AM
 
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My least favorite things:

Health care: The socialist, one payer health system is great if you are young and healthy and rarely need it and live in a big city.

Climate: If you are an Eskimo,Polar bear or a skiing enthusiast Canada is for you. Its very cold half the year and most people live near the border. Its a bit better out west but its cold, cold, cold.
Glad you like much of what Canada has to offer but to quantify a couple of your negatives
Your American healthcare aint nothing to brag about=
Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S., and New Hospital Safety Scores Show Improvements Are Too Slow
My experience with the system has been a positive experience in my 40 years in the country.
Some reading on American misconceptions about Canadas healthcare system=
https://www.google.ca/#safe=active&q...myths+debunked
As for Canadian winters? if you dress appropriately theres no reason to be discomforted by it.
Personally i prefer 4 seasons and definitely prefer cool and cold over hot and humid.
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Glad you like much of what Canada has to offer but to quantify a couple of your negatives
Your American healthcare aint nothing to brag about=
Hospital Errors are the Third Leading Cause of Death in U.S., and New Hospital Safety Scores Show Improvements Are Too Slow
My experience with the system has been a positive experience in my 40 years in the country.
Some reading on American misconceptions about Canadas healthcare system=
https://www.google.ca/#safe=active&q...myths+debunked
As for Canadian winters? if you dress appropriately theres no reason to be discomforted by it.
Personally i prefer 4 seasons and definitely prefer cool and cold over hot and humid.
The common theme here by Canadians has been pretty much the same, our own experiences with the H.C system isn't nearly as bad as the 'horror' stories presented.. We should also remind our American friends that the life expectancy for a Canadian is a full 3 years more than an American which is quite significant when comparing two developed nations.. Canada is ranked 9th in the world while the U.S is ranked 34th the same as Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ife_expectancy

As for cold Canadian winters and layers, appropriate dress and other cold weather adaptive measures, the OP is from Buffalo so he is VERY much aware of Cold weather measures as an absolute necessity
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Flahrida
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I forget to mention one of my favorite things about Canada is that have some of the most beautiful women in the world. People also dress better in Canada and seem more physically fit than in the USA and that is most likely why they have a longer life span.
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I forget to mention one of my favorite things about Canada is that have some of the most beautiful women in the world. People also dress better in Canada and seem more physically fit than in the USA and that is most likely why they have a longer life span.
That could certainly be a part of it, as would a smaller population and also a more egalitarian approach that probably takes care of the more poor and disenfranchised better.

With that said, and I think a lot of people in here will stick by our guns with respect to our H.C system. There are horror stories for sure and I can't think of any place in the world where someone does not at least know of one example of a hospital/H.C nightmare. I will say, when it has mattered the Canadian H.C system has been here for me and my family.. I have no personal issues with it and my family has had lots of experience using it from Cancer treatment to Diabetes treatment, to treatment for heart attacks to castes for a fractured arm to referral to Allergists, Sleep Specialists, Gastroenterologists etc and quite frankly I don't think i'd want to be paying more tax dollars for something 'better'. I think we pay enough for what we get and I certainly wouldn't want a more complicated, bureaucratic and administrative cost heavy system.

Ultimately I think this is the most important thing and that is does the H.C system in Canada work for Canadians in practice and not whether it works for some Americans or other foreigners in theory or anecdotally. I don't mean to be disrespectful and again, I appreciate your positive comments about our country and welcome you to visit often (as I have yours), but I think when it comes to Healthcare, Canadians aren't interested in a massive overhaul of our system, just incremental improvements to make what we have better.

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Old 10-26-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Affordable rent/housing
Are you out of your mind?
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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Public Transit: Infinitely better than the USA with buses and trains actually taking you places.
Are you sure you're comparing each Canadian city with population OR city size rank equivalent to each of the cities in the US? (e.g. NYC vs. Toronto, Chicago vs. Vancouver or Montreal, etc.) Comparing small US cities to large Canadian ones is inappropriate.

How can Toronto have a better public transport than NYC? That's just totally ridiculous.
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Are you sure you're comparing each Canadian city with population OR city size rank equivalent to each of the cities in the US? (e.g. NYC vs. Toronto, Chicago vs. Vancouver or Montreal, etc.) Comparing small US cities to large Canadian ones is inappropriate.

How can Toronto have a better public transport than NYC? That's just totally ridiculous.
He was probably weighing on the whole.. PT ridership in Canada is typically higher than the U.S as Mexico is than Canada in terms of Percent of Commutes by PT against Metro area population. NYC is the one clear outlier in the U.S.

I think part of it is how U.S cities are structured vs Canadian cities whereby U.S cities tend to sprawl out quite a bit more than CAD cities which are usually more compact and dense.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership

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