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The primary reason I never really tried to become a self employed business owner was providing health insurance for me and my family. I believe a No Cost or at least limited cost to the individual health insurance system would help create a much more entrepreneurial business climate because it reduces the medical and economic risk of self employment.
I believed the Canadian system was far more valuable because it could not deny health insurance because of a pre existing condition.
A poster from Texas, in Politics and Other Controversies, said this of the Canadian healthcare system that it is "cratering" with just a fraction of the US population. Without putting words in their mouth, from my interpretation, that Canada's healthcare system is failing and will collapse in the future. I'd like to hear from Canadians, is your healthcare system unsustainable and will it "crater" anytime soon? I'm supporting Bernie Sanders for president (this isn't another Canada bash topic) who wants a similar Canadian setup in the US which I favor. But this is a talking point frequently thrown around in right-wing circles down here. I'm not Canadian, but I don't see the system in Canada circling the drain, what do all of you think?
Thank you for being one of the unbrainwashed US citizens I always believed existed. I don't understand why many of your politicians are against using the Canadian model. It makes sense they would see it as a wonderful benefit trialed and proven in our country.
The Canada-wide system was implemented in 1946 and it's publicly funded. I'd say it is sustainable. No crater or drain.
There are many new doctors opening their practices in my city contrary to what other Canadians think.
I live in the province of Alberta. We are the only province that does not have provincial sales tax and we don't pay any premium at all for our basic healthcare (which at one time was approx 64/mo).
I see 5 specialists on a regular basis, had major surgery, home-care 4 times a day, and all of it is paid by our health system.
However, dental and prescription costs and private hospital rooms are not universally funded. A separate insurance plan has to be paid out of pocket on a tiered system for these at about 150/mo for a single non-senior. Seniors get more benefits.
1966 not 1946 - just as the baby boomers were beginning to enter the labor force and becoming tax payers. It was the best possible time for such a plan to gain acceptance as young baby boomers would not have required much in terms of health care and the senior population would have been a much lower percentage of the overall population than now.
1966 not 1946 - just as the baby boomers were beginning to enter the labor force and becoming tax payers. It was the best possible time for such a plan to gain acceptance as young baby boomers would not have required much in terms of health care and the senior population would have been a much lower percentage of the overall population than now.
Yep; 50 years of a universal healthcare system taking care of us ALL. If it cratered this year, we've still managed quite a feat compared to the same 50 year nonsense of others dying for lack of any care, no insurance, or families going bankrupt and losing everything for lack of insurance that covered them adequately enough.
Our record speaks for itself and need accept no criticism from anyone belonging to that other fustercluck for the same 50 years.
Even conservative estimates put deaths in the U.S. for lack of insurance at over 26,000 (3 per hour) in 2010 alone. Sheesh! How would anyone even begin to calculate the preventable loss of life in the hundreds of thousands over that same 50 year period and further, how could anyone attempt to justify it?
Thank you for being one of the unbrainwashed US citizens I always believed existed. I don't understand why many of your politicians are against using the Canadian model. It makes sense they would see it as a wonderful benefit trialed and proven in our country.
Because those politicians rely upon big bucks from the Pharma/Medical lobbyists cruising the halls of Washington.
I live in the province of Alberta. We are the only province that does not have provincial sales tax and we don't pay any premium at all for our basic healthcare (which at one time was approx 64/mo).
I see 5 specialists on a regular basis, had major surgery, home-care 4 times a day, and all of it is paid by our health system.
However, dental and prescription costs and private hospital rooms are not universally funded. A separate insurance plan has to be paid out of pocket on a tiered system for these at about 150/mo for a single non-senior. Seniors get more benefits.
They already know all of this but willfully choose to ignore it.
Thank you for being one of the unbrainwashed US citizens I always believed existed. I don't understand why many of your politicians are against using the Canadian model. It makes sense they would see it as a wonderful benefit trialed and proven in our country.
The Canada-wide system was implemented in 1946 and it's publicly funded. I'd say it is sustainable. No crater or drain.
There are many new doctors opening their practices in my city contrary to what other Canadians think.
I live in the province of Alberta. We are the only province that does not have provincial sales tax and we don't pay any premium at all for our basic healthcare (which at one time was approx 64/mo).
I see 5 specialists on a regular basis, had major surgery, home-care 4 times a day, and all of it is paid by our health system.
However, dental and prescription costs and private hospital rooms are not universally funded. A separate insurance plan has to be paid out of pocket on a tiered system for these at about 150/mo for a single non-senior. Seniors get more benefits.
Alberta is this way because of oil. Unless the price per barrel returns to $70+ I see huge deficits and a cut in services soon. I had a relative move from BC to Alberta to take advantage of the more generous system, but she's complaining that things are starting to get tougher.
Alberta is this way because of oil. Unless the price per barrel returns to $70+ I see huge deficits and a cut in services soon. I had a relative move from BC to Alberta to take advantage of the more generous system, but she's complaining that things are starting to get tougher.
Apples to oranges.
Price of cauliflower being shipped up from Az. probably, but not the healthcare.
Remember? We were talking about healthcare cratering?
... insinuate that I shared information under nefarious circumstances (which is a really petty and silly thing, considering I corrected myself immediately)
Huh? Don't you talk to your wife/husband/partner? Especially is he or she is Canadian, didn't you ever ask, "So how does that Canadian socialized healthcare work anyway?
I sure asked my American ex-wife, who worked in the US health care field before moving to Canada. She moved to Canada to get away from all the US private-care BS and insurance and paperwork, and so on and so on. She loved it here, and remains here in Canada, even though we broke up.
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... and maintain a sidestep to answering MY question about the validity of the actual data itself. You know - the data that started this conversation in the first place.
You claimed that the Canadian Medical Association was an agency of the Canadian government--and you were wrong. That's what started this discussion.
I don't care about the data. That's another discussion--hell, in fact, I'll grant you that the Canadian system has a lot of room for improvement. How it can improve is another discussion.
No, what bothered me was that you said that the CMA was a Canadian government agency. You were incorrect in that assertion. But, how many American posters in P&OC did you influence with that assertion? One? Ten? A hundred? More than that? Is that your goal: to turn Americans against a UK NHS, or a Canadian single-payer system by claiming independent, non-governmental associations are government? Your feelings are your own, but IMHO, you should not claim that a professional association, in which membership is optional, is somehow government.
You're better than that, obviously.
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I don't think you are really interested in having this discussion. You're just being confrontational and frankly, a bit abusive. The fact that it "bothered you so much" that I erroneously referred to the CMA as a gov't organization and that you are having such difficulty rising above this says something a little discomforting about your temperament. You seem like a very angry person with a giant chip on your shoulder.
You're correct: I don't really feel like having this discussion. It has no point: you will continue to quote stats as to how Canadian healthcare is sub-par in your opinion, and I (and fellow Canadians) can continue to discuss how it beats the US system any day, in our opinions.
Angry? Maybe. I tend to get angry when a foreigner asserts something about my country that I know not to be true.
My temperament? I'm pretty sure that my fellow Canadians on this forum will tell you that I'm one of the most level-headed, balanced, and fair posters here.
My temperament? I'm pretty sure that my fellow Canadians on this forum will tell you that I'm one of the most level-headed, balanced, and fair posters here.
I'll second that..
Bottom line let the Americans keep their dogs breakfast of a healthcare system and we Canadians will happily keep our healthcare system warts and all..
Huh? Don't you talk to your wife/husband/partner? Especially is he or she is Canadian, didn't you ever ask, "So how does that Canadian socialized healthcare work anyway?
I sure asked my American ex-wife, who worked in the US health care field before moving to Canada. She moved to Canada to get away from all the US private-care BS and insurance and paperwork, and so on and so on. She loved it here, and remains here in Canada, even though we broke up.
You claimed that the Canadian Medical Association was an agency of the Canadian government--and you were wrong. That's what started this discussion.
I don't care about the data. That's another discussion--hell, in fact, I'll grant you that the Canadian system has a lot of room for improvement. How it can improve is another discussion.
No, what bothered me was that you said that the CMA was a Canadian government agency. You were incorrect in that assertion. But, how many American posters in P&OC did you influence with that assertion? One? Ten? A hundred? More than that? Is that your goal: to turn Americans against a UK NHS, or a Canadian single-payer system by claiming independent, non-governmental associations are government? Your feelings are your own, but IMHO, you should not claim that a professional association, in which membership is optional, is somehow government.
You're better than that, obviously.
You're correct: I don't really feel like having this discussion. It has no point: you will continue to quote stats as to how Canadian healthcare is sub-par in your opinion, and I (and fellow Canadians) can continue to discuss how it beats the US system any day, in our opinions.
Angry? Maybe. I tend to get angry when a foreigner asserts something about my country that I know not to be true.
My temperament? I'm pretty sure that my fellow Canadians on this forum will tell you that I'm one of the most level-headed, balanced, and fair posters here.
Ten four Chevy!
And like I've already stated before and Jambo has just reiterated: why keep comparing to others if they're secure in the knowledge theirs is numero-uno?
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