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"Unwarranted assault"? Are you for real? I'm not going to explain my experience, research, why this thread was started, or reasoning behind my opinion ANY further. It's all here in multiple pages of thread. Read it or don't. Don't care any more.
I've made an informed decision that I prefer private care over socialized care. That's no unwarranted assault, it's a freaking opinion ... and the fact that some of you can't let it go and continue to defensively protest with your knickers in a twist is just ... ridiculous. Utterly absurd. There have been a number of offensive insults and generalizations lobbed at Americans as a whole in this thread, yet the critical focus here remains on a single American happy with her current healthcare who prefers it over what Canadians have. Perspective. You people need some.
Out.
Wow you snap rather quickly...
What I've underlined above:
That's all it becomes than is your personal opinion as opposed to a general discussion on healthcare. Is it really important to discuss your personal opinion or personal experience with Healthcare in your own unique and admittedly 'fortunate' circumstances? You have no issue with expressing your opinion but when others present other opinions/facts/experiences/research etc it is you who get your knickers in a knot.
Fact is you've been called out on the contention that the Canadian Healthcare systems are 'cratered' with probably much more facts and relevant experiences by those who actually use them than your own 'opinion'
That is why you are reacting in the manner displayed in this post.
Now - are you out for real because if you are there should be no response to this lol..
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I'll NEVER understand why the "Greatest Nation on Earth" has folks dying or losing everything due to an illness or accident. IIRC, health Insurance tied to employment was an inducement in WWII when there was an obvious labor shortage, to get the best workers. Times have changed just a bit since then. It sickens me that folks die, suffer, or go bankrupt, or are stuck to a soul-sucking job in order to keep decent insurance, how many fear going back to school to pursue a dream, for fear of losing health coverage. People shouldn't have their lives dictated on health coverage issues-life is stressful as it is. Then you throw in that at-will garbage, so it's no wonder people are stressed. You shouldn;t risk disaster just because you lost your job so some CEO can but another Aspen mansion. The U$ system should be called WEALTH-Care, because those that are fortunate enough to be wealthy or have and keep a job with decent coverage shouldn;t be the only ones "entitled" to care. It's like social Darwinism. I'm so blessed to be able to live in Australia, where no one goes broke or dies due to a health issue. I even get same day appointments here-imagine that!! ACA isn;t perfect, but it sure beats what was there before, and why can;t ACA be tweaked and improved? Private insurance in the U$ is a joke, except for the wealthy. MY wife and I have it here also, but pay WAY less than a similar American policy. To me, it';s just all due to GREED- Greed rules america now, and that's sad. No way is America anywhere close to greatness-unless you're wealthy and well-connected
I've made an informed decision that I prefer private care over socialized care.
Fair enough, and you can prefer what you wish. Now, show us Canadians where we have "socialized care."
I get to choose my own physician. Physicians are not employed by the government. The government does not assign me a physician. I did not deal with "death panels" when my father died.
We have a single-payer system, where a provincial insurance system pays private-care physicians for services rendered. Physicians are not employed by government; they are all private practitioners, but they bill the government, just as American doctors bill Cigna, Aetna, etc. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
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... There have been a number of offensive insults and generalizations lobbed at Americans as a whole in this thread....
Yeah. Because every time you Yanks try to talk about our healthcare, you get it wrong, wrong, wrong. And we have had our share of ignorant Yanks in this forum.
"Canadian healthcare is government-run, physicians are assigned, and death panels exist." That's paraphrased, but wrong. What my physician does is between him and me. He makes the decisions; the government pays the tab. He's not going to let me die because keeping me alive costs money. Oh, and I can see any physician and go to any hospital in the country. "In network" is a foreign concept here. Deductibles? Co-pays? Seriously? Those are not a part of our health care.
How can we take your point seriously when you tout deductibles and co-pays as benefits when we never have had to deal with such things?
I never insulted you. I merely regarded you as yet another American who was ignorant as to Canadian health care. If you took it as an insult, then you are pretty thin-skinned.
Where did this word cratering come from, sounds like a cute CNN/FOX buzzword, i can find no definition of the word that would apply to Canadas healthcare system=
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depression or cavity on the surface of the earth or other heavenly body marking the orif noun 1. the cup-shapedice of a volcano.
2. Also called impact crater, meteorite crater. (on the surface of the earth, moon, etc.) a bowl-shaped depression with a raised rim, formed by the impact of a meteoroid. Compare astrobleme.
3. Astronomy. (on the surface of the moon) a circular or almost circular area having a depressed floor, almost always containing a central mountain and usually completely enclosed by walls that are often higher than those of a walled plain; ring formation; ring. Compare walled plain.
4. the bowllike orifice of a geyser.
5. the hole or pit in the ground where a bomb, shell, or military mine has exploded.
6. Electricity. the cavity formed in a positive carbon electrode by an electric arc.
Several other Canadian posters chimed in and expressed rather defensive opinions about an American knocking Canadian healthcare. BruSan, I'm looking at you. Way to make things personal.
I walked away from this thread thinking "wow, it's shockingly easy to unintentionally anger Canadians" ... and ALL of this over a thread in the Politics forum about American healthcare in which I simply stated my preference for our current system. I didn't come take a giant poop on your forum nor did I say anything that should be taken so damn personally by anybody here.
A big to-do of nothing, blown entirely out of proportion, and all over a difference of opinion.
Ridiculous.
Well if you're 'looking at me' perhaps you can link to the post of me making it personal with you?
I've taken the time to review my posts in this thread and can't find one responding directly to you and can't find one making anything but a 'personal anecdotal' response to a 'personal anecdotal' bit of nonsense posted by someone else.....
We've had more than two series of to-and-fro posts stimulated by troll posters deleted from this thread alone.
It's quite frankly, becoming ever more difficult discerning the legitimate American poster from the doofus in his mom's basement who has consigned himself to a life of remote keyboard tickling while never actually engaging in the tactile experience himself.
Certainly, I've never witnessed so much attention by your leadership and yourselves being directed towards a country you've always been ever so quick to remind everyone; isn't even on your collective radar.
I think you should step down off your high horse and recap for your edification as to how the bulk of these threads originate in the first place......Americans disparaging Canada using incorrect assumptions, opinions or outright lies. Yep; it get's us worked up to the same extent the U.S. being accused of being an imperialistic warmonger elicits strident rebuttals from your quarter.
Should you feel the need to critique the suggested single-payer healthcare system, for some reason, featured in your political discussions over the last 15 years or more; why not firstly ask yourselves why the U.S. is only just now having these discussions and playing catch-up to MANY other nations who've enjoyed better healthcare stats for decades? Start there and leave the anecdotal nonsense where it belongs; in the trash with that stupid over-used, "socialist" crap.
When one considers your citizens, probably numbering in the millions to date, who've died preventable deaths over the many decades of not having ANY insurance or actual healthcare of any kind; one would think you'd be hard pressed to put themselves up on that pedestal you're now attempting to lecture us from.
"Canadian healthcare is government-run, physicians are assigned, and death panels exist." That's paraphrased, but wrong. What my physician does is between him and me. He makes the decisions; the government pays the tab. He's not going to let me die because keeping me alive costs money. Oh, and I can see any physician and go to any hospital in the country. "In network" is a foreign concept here. Deductibles? Co-pays? Seriously? Those are not a part of our health care.
How can we take your point seriously when you tout deductibles and co-pays as benefits when we never have had to deal with such things?
I did a search of all of Nor Cal Wahine's posts on C-D. She has never used the words death panel or death panels in a post. Implying she ever did to demonize her is deceptive and wrong in my opinion.
As far as deductibles are concerned, read post #45. I even provided a link in the post. Perhaps you never had to deal with deductibles. Other Canadians like me have.
Be careful when you use the word "we" in a post. You do not speak for me.
Again from an objective standpoint (I always thought Democrats to be more objective than Republicans), your system generally speaking does not rank higher than the nation you are critiquing.. Neither country has a model first world system.. I think we need to be honest about that in both countries instead of launching unwarranted assaults on the other.
Ironically, the first national system other than blanket single payer proposals was proposed by a Republican. Nixon no less. He was pushing for health care reform since 1969!
Read the following, it is over 40 years old yet could almost apply word for word today. Obamacare looks a lot like Nixoncare.
Ted Kennedy was the one who essentially shot it down, because the unions didn't like it and the Democrats wanted a single payer system. Bernie's stance is the same as Kennedy 40 years ago.
Also, when rankings are published, they factor in a lot of things, including access to care and affordability. The US does generally very well for quality of care and outcomes, but lags on affordability. Canada to my knowledge is on par for outcomes (give or take slightly), leads on affordability but lags on access to healthcare (for non-acute conditions).
I did a search of all of Nor Cal Wahine's posts on C-D. She has never used the words death panel or death panels in a post. Implying she ever did to demonize her is deceptive and wrong in my opinion.
As far as deductibles are concerned, read post #45. I even provided a link in the post. Perhaps you never had to deal with deductibles. Other Canadians like me have.
Be careful when you use the word "we" in a post. You do not speak for me.
In Chevy's defence I believe he talking about deductible for primary care etc, not prescriptions. In talking about healthcare Canada wide, there are no deductibles for care.
As you know, each province sets their own rules regarding prescription medicine etc.
Ironically, the first national system other than blanket single payer proposals was proposed by a Republican. Nixon no less. He was pushing for health care reform since 1969!
Read the following, it is over 40 years old yet could almost apply word for word today. Obamacare looks a lot like Nixoncare.
Ted Kennedy was the one who essentially shot it down, because the unions didn't like it and the Democrats wanted a single payer system. Bernie's stance is the same as Kennedy 40 years ago.
Also, when rankings are published, they factor in a lot of things, including access to care and affordability. The US does generally very well for quality of care and outcomes, but lags on affordability. Canada to my knowledge is on par for outcomes (give or take slightly), leads on affordability but lags on access to healthcare (for non-acute conditions).
Ironically, the first national system other than blanket single payer proposals was proposed by a Republican. Nixon no less. He was pushing for health care reform since 1969!
Read the following, it is over 40 years old yet could almost apply word for word today. Obamacare looks a lot like Nixoncare.
Ted Kennedy was the one who essentially shot it down, because the unions didn't like it and the Democrats wanted a single payer system. Bernie's stance is the same as Kennedy 40 years ago.
Interesting information. Thanks.
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Also, when rankings are published, they factor in a lot of things, including access to care and affordability. The US does generally very well for quality of care and outcomes, but lags on affordability. Canada to my knowledge is on par for outcomes (give or take slightly), leads on affordability but lags on access to healthcare (for non-acute conditions).
Yeah the rankings I've been looking at take a variety of factors into consideration and then lump them together for a final score.. As I've said in early posts, i'm not sure either system is the best model to aspire to. That said every nation has its own unique challenges so its very difficult to come up with a universal healthcare model that will work 'the best' for every nation in the world.
Canada ranks 9th in the world for life expectancy which is excellent, so essentially I think it can be said that for the majority of its citizens things work for us.
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