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USA and Canada are in a trade war, don't you know. There is no NAFTA 2.0 agreement. Congress hasn't ratified it yet and all the tariffs we suffer still remain. It is not likely in their sights right now so we will wait still being punished and bullied while the USA's economy gets stronger and ours weaker.With the tariffs remaining in place, Trump can then create false demand for natural resources in his own country and get their own mills up and running again. It won't hold up over time because free trade was not the reason their mills closed in the first place. The entire problem was created in the USA by the USA.
All you have to do is look at USA/Canada relations today. I don't think there is a clear cut argument for whether there is advantage or disadvantage living next door to the USA. It's tough living next to the master of the world expecting to be fairly treated. Uncertainty stares us in the face every day. The terrible thing is Americans don't have a clue about the chaos they create in their wake. Or if they do they don't care and discount it. America is a country brainwashed by more propaganda than N. Korea.
USA and Canada are in a trade war, don't you know. There is no NAFTA 2.0 agreement. Congress hasn't ratified it yet and all the tariffs we suffer still remain. It is not likely in their sights right now so we will wait still being punished and bullied while the USA's economy gets stronger and ours weaker.With the tariffs remaining in place, Trump can then create false demand for natural resources in his own country and get their own mills up and running again. It won't hold up over time because free trade was not the reason their mills closed in the first place. The entire problem was created in the USA by the USA.
All you have to do is look at USA/Canada relations today. I don't think there is a clear cut argument for whether there is advantage or disadvantage living next door to the USA. It's tough living next to the master of the world expecting to be fairly treated. Uncertainty stares us in the face every day. The terrible thing is Americans don't have a clue about the chaos they create in their wake. Or if they do they don't care and discount it. America is a country brainwashed by more propaganda than N. Korea.
'Trade war' is a massive exaggeration. Trade dispute would be more accurate.
Your histrionic language and baseless insults don't deserve a response.
'Trade war' is a massive exaggeration. Trade dispute would be more accurate.
And you would be correct with your characterization of the matter as a "trade dispute."
Problem is, that Mr. Trump and his supporters have characterized it as a "national security" issue. Tell me, has Canada impugned or compromised the United States' national security in any way? Especially our steel and aluminum producers--how have they compromised the United States' national security? All they do is provide metal, to be finished by US mills.
I think what bothers us Canadians most is that, in spite of 200+ years of cooperation and trade (and allowing for that hiccup in 1812), we are suddenly a threat to US national security. Seriously? How many Americans have wandered into this Canadian forum and told us that "we can take you any time we want," and "we pay for your defense"? Given those statements, how is Canada a threat to the United States' security?
So why don't Americans asserting such put their money where their mouth is? Take us militarily; save us from the yoke of "socialism," which, apparently, we are suffering under. Even though we are not, in any Marxist sense.
They won't, because having friendly relations between our two countries is better than having unfriendly relations. This "trade dispute" is a good way to characterize it, because the US still gets Canadian steel and aluminum, albeit at an increased price to the American consumer, thanks to Mr. Trump's tariffs. That's right--we Canadians pay nothing to export our steel and aluminum to the US. The US consumer pays the tariff. Not us. And the Americans are still buying our steel and aluminum. Americans are paying the tariff, because Mr. Trump does not understand how international tariffs work.
In the end, there is no "US national security" issue. North American security under NORAD is not in doubt, and the US and Canada work together on that--just another thing that Mr. Trump does not understand. His "national security" excuse on Canadian steel and aluminum rings pretty hollow, when Canadian steel and aluminum is used in the building of US war materiel, and Canada and the US have Air Force officers stationed in each other's countries (USAF in North Bay, Ontario; and RCAF in the United States), all dedicated to the defense of the North American continent.
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Your remarks with regard to Australia are shockingly misinformed. The United Kingdom has not been a top trading partner with Australia for many decades. Australia has not had a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom or the European Union. By contrast, it does have a trade agreement with the United States.
According to current stats from the AU government, the United States is Australia's third largest export market after China and Japan. The United States is Australia's second largest import market after China. The United States is Australia's largest foreign investor and accounts for more than 27% of all foreign investment, almost double the United Kingdom, Australia's second largest foreign investor.
Trade with Asia was not a survival mechanism, it was something that had been ongoing from the very beginning. To call it a survival mechanism would imply that there was a decline in trade between the U.K. and Australia with the formation of the EU. There was no such decline. Growth in Asia trade is a global phenomenon. Australia has been well-placed to benefit from it.
Even the UK's current position as a major investor in Australia is largely a result of the role of the City of London as the financial centre of the EU. And yes, Australia has traded with Asia and other countries for a long, long time. But the UK was a significant trade partner up to the late 1960s, so its joining the EU did 'register', and cause a partial realignment of trade. But that's the point: if a market is closed off, or the door is closed a little (the more likely scenario for Canada and the US), there are opportunities elsewhere.
Canada's economy is also apparently smaller than the State of Texas' as well.
So what? We have a small population. Our poor are better off than the poor in Texas. I'm an hour north of Montana. I would not want to move there. With the current government disreputable for all other countries, democracy, the press and civility I do not wish to visit the US until 8t gets back to being more normal. It saddens me but I am going to let my money speak for me. Same as during the winter I choose fruit and veggies from Mexico and South America as I do not support drugged up milk being forced into our market.
I don't care if Americans don't pay attention to Canada. I don't care that theyou have a bigger military, more factories or can carry hand guns to go buy groceries.
We are not poor nor destitute. Some of our economic growth is due to being so close to the States however one should realize that this is a mixed blessing. For example many of our manufacturers were purchased by American companies. They would may be operating if we were not so close. Bwing so close has been determental in some aspects aND beneficial in others. A person shold be ablessed to look at both sides. I trY to..
did you went by car to Florida?? yeah, living around Dorval Airport is convenient I guess
How many hours by car is it from Vancouver to Los Angeles and Arizona?
yeah, Australia and NZ are very, very remote and very, very isolated, yet Vancouver is in my opinion also very remote. It is at the periphery of The Americas, far high north in a corner. It is not so much its location, more the circumstance that other US-American/Canadian major cities are in other regions of the continent.
The time you need to drive from Vancouver by car to California, I think it is as fast by airplane from Australia to LA. I think Vancouver is more like an airplane city.
Yeah, Los Angeles is influential enough to count as 10 major American cities, but still, it's very distant from BC
Vancouver has a distant location, but when I think about it, many other American states also have horrifiying location. It is only the north-east of North America that can be compared to Europe city distances
Vancouver is the Dublin of The Americas
I can drive to Vancouver in less than 2 days and have done so many times. This summer will be the first time to drive ax far as Ottawa, Quebec City or the Maritimes. I'm 3 hours from Calgary but less than 2 from Havre (may need to look that up).
The best place in North America is not being in a major city. 😊
I just want to say that while I realize the question of the OP is Do Canadians Think Its More of an Advantage or Disadvantage...
I also recall the Canadians allowing (fortunately and thankfully...again kudos to Canada) America's draft dodgers and deserters during the Vietnam war. I realize that perhaps politically Canadians may see some of us as whiners and ungrateful for our neighbors to the north however I believe there are far more who couldn't be more grateful that Canada is our neighbor and ally. (not coincidentally this came up due to another thread concerning the 1970's).
Just like our families, neighbors and friends here in America and elsewhere (and your families, neighbors and friends in Canada and elsewhere) we don't have to like and/or approve of one another's opinion and choices but as adults we should at the very least respect the right to have them. That's all from me, I promise!
Canada and the Vietnam War
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of American Vietnam War resisters emigrated to Canada to avoid the draft. Largely middle class and educated, they had a significant impact on Canadian life. After the war, tens of thousands of Vietnamese boat people were also admitted and became a unique part of Canadian life.
As a resident of Seattle, I don't think of Vancouver as being isolated.
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