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Old 03-01-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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I do, but he's out of a job now too! I agree that job change may be what triggered her to go public. Her father was certainly blanketing the media last week with claims that an indigenous person was demoted and that this was a problem for all indigenous people.
All the elements are in place for this to escalate beyond any ability for an investigation showing no interference to even control.

Timing, aboriginal involvement, Quebec patronage, Alberta suffering, lack of leadership to fast-track pipelines that would immeasurably help our economy, hindsight questioning why a more imperative push has not been made to remove illegal U.S. tariffs through means other than the old boy network discussing it with congress critters over $300 dollar dinners...... among a host of other things all piling up on young master photo-op.

Trudeau is going to have a tough time with this one and Scheer will, of course, run his mouth squealing like a two dollar garage sale leaf blower. It's going to get messy.

Alberta is at least justified if they take advantage of this to whip up anti-Liberal sentiment.

I'll bet Trudeau senior never took the time to pass along what it feels like to be on the receiving end of good old fashioned Canadian outrage thinking his trust fund kids would skate through life never being interested in or even bothered by simple, grubby political manoeuvring.
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:51 PM
 
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All the elements are in place for this to escalate beyond any ability for an investigation showing no interference to even control.

Timing, aboriginal involvement, Quebec patronage, Alberta suffering, lack of leadership to fast-track pipelines that would immeasurably help our economy, hindsight questioning why a more imperative push has not been made to remove illegal U.S. tariffs through means other than the old boy network discussing it with congress critters over $300 dollar dinners...... among a host of other things all piling up on young master photo-op.

Trudeau is going to have a tough time with this one and Scheer will, of course, run his mouth squealing like a two dollar garage sale leaf blower. It's going to get messy.

Alberta is at least justified if they take advantage of this to whip up anti-Liberal sentiment.

I'll bet Trudeau senior never took the time to pass along what it feels like to be on the receiving end of good old fashioned Canadian outrage thinking his trust fund kids would skate through life never being interested in or even bothered by simple, grubby political manoeuvring.
Wasn't it in Calgary where the Student Union President, John Lefebre (?), caught Trudeau when he stumbled or something? In Vancouver, Pierre Trudeau, wasn't his train pelted with tomatoes ... didn't he turn around and leave as soon as he arrived?

Scheer is too squeaky, but he lucked out with SNC as a "hand in the cookie jar" golden ticket. Scheer can rally indigenous communities, oil industries and youth who do not want to pay for their parent's over-spending. I wonder if they'll pull up Harper's over-spending campaign commercials. In any case, "sunny ways" turned out be to be a great slogan for a dishonest man.
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:57 PM
 
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Given that this woman was making waves because she had integrity, and that she was removed from her position for acting on that integrity, it is a very big problem for a country that purports to honour women, indigenous communities, equality, feminism, integrity and dignity.

Trudeau gets an F.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:35 PM
 
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Government meddling in court cases seems to be more and more common. First the ambassador to China was dismissed when he voiced an opinion about the Huawei arrest, and now the Prime Minister is accused of rigging a legal decision.
what did you expect? ever since fipa https://www.newsweek.com/new-treaty-...ts-laws-270751 was signed, this stuff was bound to happen.

fipa was the smaller catastrophe, the trans-pacific partnership would be the larger version if it had gone through. every 2 or more years, they try to do this to various important countries. it would destroy the legal system, of every country involved-- stephen harper destroyed canada.
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Interesting to see the reaction from the Liberal caucus. Wilson-Raybould stood up for integrity and justice, and she is being treated as though she did something wrong. Other liberals are looking to distance themselves from her, most likely because they view her as having problems in her job and they're afraid that what she has is contagious. Sadly, others are not standing by her in the name of integrity and justice. It has the appearance of an old boy's club.
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Old 03-04-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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Wasn't it in Calgary where the Student Union President, John Lefebre (?), caught Trudeau when he stumbled or something? In Vancouver, Pierre Trudeau, wasn't his train pelted with tomatoes ... didn't he turn around and leave as soon as he arrived?

Scheer is too squeaky, but he lucked out with SNC as a "hand in the cookie jar" golden ticket. Scheer can rally indigenous communities, oil industries and youth who do not want to pay for their parent's over-spending. I wonder if they'll pull up Harper's over-spending campaign commercials. In any case, "sunny ways" turned out be to be a great slogan for a dishonest man.
It was Salmon Arm. It was after he had visually told some protestors that they were "number one". As the train went back east, it was pelted at pretty much every stop until Ontario. As Justin said, as he was there, his father forgot that you're supposed to use all five fingers to wave.
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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Interesting to see the reaction from the Liberal caucus. Wilson-Raybould stood up for integrity and justice, and she is being treated as though she did something wrong. Other liberals are looking to distance themselves from her, most likely because they view her as having problems in her job and they're afraid that what she has is contagious. Sadly, others are not standing by her in the name of integrity and justice. It has the appearance of an old boy's club.
Now Jane Philpot has resigned her cabinet position with the release of her letter explaining her reasons doing a fine job of casting a pretty huge cloud over Justin's leadership.

I think his survivability is now measured in the single digit percentage.

Very indicative when you ran on a ticket of inclusiveness and transparency only to have two women bring your dirty laundry to public scrutiny and that includes him trying to keep this whole charade with SNC Lavalin a "private affair".

All of this gives the western provinces even more currency to pitch a fit of epic proportions..
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Now Jane Philpot has resigned her cabinet position with the release of her letter explaining her reasons doing a fine job of casting a pretty huge cloud over Justin's leadership.

I think his survivability is now measured in the single digit percentage.

Very indicative when you ran on a ticket of inclusiveness and transparency only to have two women bring your dirty laundry to public scrutiny and that includes him trying to keep this whole charade with SNC Lavalin a "private affair".

All of this gives the western provinces even more currency to pitch a fit of epic proportions..
Good for her! If it is only women who help dismantle the old boys club, good enough.

Today I was musing what would happen if the entire cabinet resigned. Would that trigger an election, or a new Liberal team lead? Maybe Trudeau should follow Butts?

Alberta has been the major contributor to the Equalization Payment for a long time. Quebec has been a major beneficiary. Everyone was happy. Now no one is happy. Even the indigenous people are unhappy. This was a major faux pas for the little rich boy who was pretending to be a pauper.
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Old 03-04-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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what did you expect? ever since fipa https://www.newsweek.com/new-treaty-...ts-laws-270751 was signed, this stuff was bound to happen.

fipa was the smaller catastrophe, the trans-pacific partnership would be the larger version if it had gone through. every 2 or more years, they try to do this to various important countries. it would destroy the legal system, of every country involved-- stephen harper destroyed canada.
Government disruption / resignations: president of the treasury board, Butts and the former Attorney General.

Trudeau seems to be speaking out of both sides of his mouth - on the one hand the objective is to uphold the law and on the other hand the objective is to protect jobs. Does he think that quietly breaking the law is a cost of saving jobs? If that is what he believes and what Canadians want, why doesn't he change, rather than break, law?

Would changing law give the Chinese too much leverage in Canada?

Are they fleeing a sinking ship?

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Old 03-05-2019, 08:56 AM
 
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What does this mean for the next federal election?
What would Andrew Sheer and the Conservatives done about SNC-Lavalin had they been in power?

As in any election, it’s a comparison of the choices to arrive at a voting decision.
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