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Old 01-31-2020, 10:29 AM
 
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Freedom for who at who else's expense? .
Freedom should apply to all, it's not a collective right (which usually turns out to be exclusive and restrictive), but to the individual. I know you are being flippant at this point, and that's OK.
The below is attributed to Voltaire, the French philosopher and hero of the enlightenment (probably not a direct quote, more like a Voltairian interpretation from a later author):

Monsieur l’abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire
Otherwise known as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ponder that statement, maybe read up on a few of his essays, while you are telling others what they should and should not be allowed to hear, or what they are allowed to report on, per your personal political views.

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Old 01-31-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Freedom should apply to all, it's not a collective right (which usually turns out to be exclusive and restrictive), but to the individual. I know you are being flippant at this point, and that's OK.
The below is attributed to Voltaire, the French philosopher and hero of the enlightenment (probably not a direct quote, more like a Voltairian interpretation from a later author):

Monsieur l’abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire
Otherwise known as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ponder that statement, maybe read up on a few of his essays, while you are telling others what they should and should not be allowed to hear, or what they are allowed to report on, per your personal political views.
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Old 01-31-2020, 11:07 AM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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Freedom should apply to all, it's not a collective right (which usually turns out to be exclusive and restrictive), but to the individual. I know you are being flippant at this point, and that's OK.
The below is attributed to Voltaire, the French philosopher and hero of the enlightenment (probably not a direct quote, more like a Voltairian interpretation from a later author):

Monsieur l’abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire
Otherwise known as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ponder that statement, maybe read up on a few of his essays, while you are telling others what they should and should not be allowed to hear, or what they are allowed to report on, per your personal political views.
great mind that Voltaire
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Originally Posted by Dd714 View Post
Freedom should apply to all, it's not a collective right (which usually turns out to be exclusive and restrictive), but to the individual. I know you are being flippant at this point, and that's OK.
The below is attributed to Voltaire, the French philosopher and hero of the enlightenment (probably not a direct quote, more like a Voltairian interpretation from a later author):

Monsieur l’abbé, je déteste ce que vous écrivez, mais je donnerai ma vie pour que vous puissiez continuer à écrire
Otherwise known as "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Ponder that statement, maybe read up on a few of his essays, while you are telling others what they should and should not be allowed to hear, or what they are allowed to report on, per your personal political views.
I think that's an old cliché that people today use as their excuse for promoting lies and inciting hatred that suits their own harmful agendas.

If somebody will defend to his death my right to tell lies about him and thereby incite hatred and harm against him then that makes him a coward who is afraid to stand up for his own self and defend his own life.

I have no more patience or sympathy for roll over cowards like that than I do for the liars who set out to harm them.


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Old 01-31-2020, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I think that's an old cliché that people today use as their excuse for promoting lies and inciting hatred that suits their own agendas.

If somebody will defend to their death my right to tell lies about them and thereby incite hatred and harm against them then that makes them a coward who is afraid to stand up for their own self and defend their own life.

I have no more patience or sympathy for roll over people like that than I do for the liars who harm them.
This link talks about the " supposed " quote that people here are giving to Voltaire. Even IF he did say it, the context seems different.

He did say "“The supposed right of intolerance is absurd and barbaric. It is the right of the tiger; nay, it is far worse, for tigers do but tear in order to have food, while we rend each other for paragraphs.”

Which aligns with your comment here.

https://www.themarysue.com/voltaire-...e-evelyn-hall/

Another blog about Voltaire quotes.

https://studentactivism.net/2015/01/...t-that-either/
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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This link talks about the " supposed " quote that people here are giving to Voltaire. Even IF he did say it, the context seems different.

He did say "“The supposed right of intolerance is absurd and barbaric. It is the right of the tiger; nay, it is far worse, for tigers do but tear in order to have food, while we rend each other for paragraphs.”

Which aligns with your comment here.

https://www.themarysue.com/voltaire-...e-evelyn-hall/

Another blog about Voltaire quotes.

https://studentactivism.net/2015/01/...t-that-either/
I was actually there when Voltaire said that, at the court of the King at Versailles.


Or at least, one of my ancestors was: Jacques de Acajacques, Sieur de Pompadour.
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Old 01-31-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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Thanks Nat. Interesting information at both of those websites.


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Old 01-31-2020, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I was actually there when Voltaire said that, at the court of the King at Versailles.


Or at least, one of my ancestors was: Jacques de Acajacques, Sieur de Pompadour.
Voltaire did mention your ancestor in one of his letters to Catherine the Great of Russia, I believe.
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Old 01-31-2020, 01:11 PM
 
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Thanks Nat. Interesting information at both of those websites.


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Old 01-31-2020, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Most people read it because it's the one that opens like a book and has the Sunshine Girl in it. [/i]
You are correct, that's only reason I ever opened up that news paper.
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