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Old 06-12-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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Who else finds this more than just a bit questionable:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...FGt?li=AAggXBV

I hope it does indeed come back to bite this cretin.
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Is the notwithstanding clause one of those things that’s good when your party uses it and bad when the other parties use it?
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Old 06-12-2021, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The notwithstanding clause is at the very least controversial whenever anyone uses it. One can argue its importance, but there is always a degree of discomfort whenever it is used.
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:23 PM
 
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The notwithstanding clause is at the very least controversial whenever anyone uses it. One can argue its importance, but there is always a degree of discomfort whenever it is used.
I disagree with it's conception being made necessary in the first place, but here we are and probably would not be here without it having been offered and accepted. I just object to it being thought necessary to be used by ANY party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectio...s_and_Freedoms

Leadership that has demonstrated an ability to find and strike compromise should not require it's use as a "tool".

But then I'm just an elderly pragmatic idealist.
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Who else finds this more than just a bit questionable:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...FGt?li=AAggXBV

I hope it does indeed come back to bite this cretin.
Like the article says, it might do him more harm than good.

Oh, and it's "But then I'm just an elderly curmudgeonly pragmatic idealist "

You must embrace your inner curmudgeon.
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Old 06-13-2021, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Like the article says, it might do him more harm than good.
Over the thirty-plus years, nearly forty years, of the Charter, the Notwithstanding Clause has proven to be problematic. Sadly, what it would take to repeal it is another constitutional convention--and since Meech Lake failed, and Charlottetown failed, I don't see another constitutional convention in our future. So, we're stuck with it.

That being said, the consensus among the constitutional scholars with whom I have spoken, is that invoking the Notwithstanding Clause is political suicide. Canadians don't like their Charter rights to be abrogated by Charter s. 33. Mr. Ford may be playing with fire here; and in doing so, he may just have lost the next Ontario election.
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Old 06-13-2021, 08:46 AM
 
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Like the article says, it might do him more harm than good.

Oh, and it's "But then I'm just an elderly curmudgeonly pragmatic idealist "

You must embrace your inner curmudgeon.
That's the problem Nat; my inner curmudgeon is no longer camouflaged and is now pandemic stimulated, full blown!
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Old 06-13-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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Over the thirty-plus years, nearly forty years, of the Charter, the Notwithstanding Clause has proven to be problematic. Sadly, what it would take to repeal it is another constitutional convention--and since Meech Lake failed, and Charlottetown failed, I don't see another constitutional convention in our future. So, we're stuck with it.

That being said, the consensus among the constitutional scholars with whom I have spoken, is that invoking the Notwithstanding Clause is political suicide. Canadians don't like their Charter rights to be abrogated by Charter s. 33. Mr. Ford may be playing with fire here; and in doing so, he may just have lost the next Ontario election.
Chevy; that's my hope that the past use of it as seen by the majority as being some sort of end-run around our constitutional provisions akin to "it's my ball and if I can't be the pitcher . . . " sort of thing.

I'm hoping that Ford's propensity towards that autocrat within comes him a cropper.
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