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Old 05-15-2010, 06:10 PM
 
Location: toronto
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Well......
Ive also always found Vancouver's gang culture a bit interesting and have looked into it as well. And i am a Toronto resident, Oh and I am of E. Indian descent. lol.

In my opinion, Vancouver and Toronto are very different.
It has less to do with ethnicity and more to do with opportunity. Vancouver gangs last i heard were pretty mixed ethnically and very well organized, and Vancouver is a huge hub for drugs going into Asian markets as well as the US. Its a mainstay in your economy. Not so in Toronto.

Toronto doesnt have that. We have gangs, none of which are large or very organized,(group of friends who commit small crimes) and most of the violence happens in poor neighbourhoods between "minimum wage drug dealers."

Yea, and to Galloway. I wonder if you will feel the same when a "third world" doctor saves your life. Most of the immigrants coming to Canada from the developing world are the educated and the elite, unlike when our immigration policy was very European based and we were getting the trash that nobody wanted in Europe, probably like yourself.
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Old 05-15-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Amazes me people dont see the connection when doing drugs as to how many people died so i could partake of these drugs?
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Old 05-16-2010, 09:56 AM
 
Location: California
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Amazes me people dont see the connection when doing drugs as to how many people died so i could partake of these drugs?

It amazes me that people don't see that the "war on drugs" is simply a war on the citizens by their governments, and like Alcohol Prohibition in the US in the 1930s, produces huge amounts of violence by handing an entire industry over to criminals.

Prohibition in the US in the 1930s did not end with a "victory against alcohol", but ended with the re-legalization of alcohol because people were tired of gun battles in the streets.

When people again get tired enough of gun battles in the streets, then drugs will be legalized and the drug gangs will disappear just like the alcohol gangsters of the 1930s did after Prohibition ended.
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Old 05-16-2010, 08:20 PM
 
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It amazes me that people don't see that the "war on drugs" is simply a war on the citizens by their governments, and like Alcohol Prohibition in the US in the 1930s, produces huge amounts of violence by handing an entire industry over to criminals.

Prohibition in the US in the 1930s did not end with a "victory against alcohol", but ended with the re-legalization of alcohol because people were tired of gun battles in the streets.

When people again get tired enough of gun battles in the streets, then drugs will be legalized and the drug gangs will disappear just like the alcohol gangsters of the 1930s did after Prohibition ended.

So if crack, meth and heroin are made available in the corner store this will be a benefit for society?
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Old 05-16-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: California
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So if crack, meth and heroin are made available in the corner store this will be a benefit for society?

I live in a college town. Many of the students are under 21 years old, which is the legal age for alcohol consumption here.

If you're under 21, it is extremely difficult to buy alcohol, because the store owners and bar owners and club owners do not want to lose their liquor licenses.

It simply isn't worth breaking the law by selling to underage drinkers, from a store owners point of view, because that temporary increase in profits is overshadowed by the possibility of having one's business shut down.

If, on the other hand, an 18-year-old student (or a 15-year-old hugh school student) and wanted to buy marijuana, meth, ecstasy, or even heroin, he/she could easily find it for sale and buy it with no hassles or problems. The drug dealers don't check IDs.

So, statements about how legalization would lead to easy availability of hard drugs misses the reality that hard drugs are currently easily available to anyone who wants to buy them.

Legalization would simply remove the criminal element from the transactions. The removal of a trillion-dollar industry from the hands of criminal gangs would be a tremendous benefit to society.
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Old 05-22-2010, 04:54 PM
 
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I live in a college town. Many of the students are under 21 years old, which is the legal age for alcohol consumption here.

If you're under 21, it is extremely difficult to buy alcohol, because the store owners and bar owners and club owners do not want to lose their liquor licenses.

It simply isn't worth breaking the law by selling to underage drinkers, from a store owners point of view, because that temporary increase in profits is overshadowed by the possibility of having one's business shut down.

If, on the other hand, an 18-year-old student (or a 15-year-old hugh school student) and wanted to buy marijuana, meth, ecstasy, or even heroin, he/she could easily find it for sale and buy it with no hassles or problems. The drug dealers don't check IDs.

So, statements about how legalization would lead to easy availability of hard drugs misses the reality that hard drugs are currently easily available to anyone who wants to buy them.

Legalization would simply remove the criminal element from the transactions. The removal of a trillion-dollar industry from the hands of criminal gangs would be a tremendous benefit to society.
I found it far easier to get alcohol while underage (you can get someone else to buy it, or know which employees at the store are willing to sell to you, or get a fake ID--the former two of which I did) than to get hard drugs like heroin or meth (not that I ever tried, but I know it probably wouldn't be that easy to get them, and if I did, I probably would have been faced with the unwelcoming task of dealing with extremely sketchy people).
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