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Old 10-02-2016, 06:49 PM
 
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The v20 is probably my current favorite Android and if I was buying today, I'd get it. It has a huge battery and if you COULD kill it in one day, at least you have quick charge which gives you 50% more battery life in 20 minutes...
I hear iPhone battery complaints all the time.
It comes down to usage more then anything else.
Or, since the V20 has a removable battery, one could carry a second battery.

I watched a YouTube video earlier today 'starring' the V20. It was made by a 'tester' who is part of a program sponsored by LG. The screen on the V20 looked incredibly clear and sharp...even through the 'lens' of a YouTube video.
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Old 10-03-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Greater Indianapolis
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Well, as much as I'd like to say I'm going to hold out for the V20 I decided to just upgrade to the new iphone 7. It really just came down to the fact that I couldn't wait any longer to upgrade and it would be an easier transition moving from the 5s to the 7 (staying in the apple ecosystem). Plus the water resistance I knew would come in handy down the road. I still think the V20 looks like a fantastic option but I'm kind of in a time crunch as my company has been waiting on me to tell them what new phone I wanted and I didn't want to hold out till the end of this month (supposedly).
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Well, as much as I'd like to say I'm going to hold out for the V20 I decided to just upgrade to the new iphone 7. It really just came down to the fact that I couldn't wait any longer to upgrade and it would be an easier transition moving from the 5s to the 7 (staying in the apple ecosystem). Plus the water resistance I knew would come in handy down the road. I still think the V20 looks like a fantastic option but I'm kind of in a time crunch as my company has been waiting on me to tell them what new phone I wanted and I didn't want to hold out till the end of this month (supposedly).
Yeah the V20 is one of those phones that took way way too long to get to market after it was announced. The worst offender has been ASUS which announced some absolutely killer phones way back in May, yet several of them still aren't for sale yet.

Apple and Samsung have the whole process down pat. You announce the phone and then within the month you can buy the thing. There's a lot of red tape and legal approval stuff that has to happen. Those big two companies seem to have figured out how to get it done faster and more efficiently.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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I went the other way, but with an iPhone 6 in June. My biggest problem with the android was that even new the battery never lasted as long as with the Apple. After a year, despite a lot of tinkering, it wouldn't last all day, and that was with 3 different Motorolas over several years.
Other than that, I liked the apps and the operating system a lot. It took a while to get used to iOS, and I'm still not sure if I like it as well.
Android offers full multitasking, something that is implemented differently on iOS and Windows Mobile. This is one of the reasons those operating systems have better battery life, and offer a "smoother" experience. It is also one of the reasons Android phones are often overpowered (6 GB of RAM, among other things). They need the extra overhead to achieve the same experience other mobile operating systems offer at a fraction of the specs.

Marshmallow and Nougat offer a little bit of relief with the way that the battery saver is implemented on those implementations of Android, but the average phone is not running either of those versions.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Android offers full multitasking,
Sort of. Not really. No phone REALLY does. Apps don't really run in the background except for a handful and these run in the background on both phones. Spotify, YouTube Red (not normal YT), Pandora, things like that.
Not even Chrome does, this is why it reloads your webpage if you tab back to it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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Sort of. Not really. No phone REALLY does. Apps don't really run in the background except for a handful and these run in the background on both phones. Spotify, YouTube Red (not normal YT), Pandora, things like that.
Not even Chrome does, this is why it reloads your webpage if you tab back to it.
Right now I have eight apps either "restarting" (cached apps) or running. This includes Google Voice, Messenger, OneDrive, Gallery, TextNow, Google App, LG Keyboard and Google Keyboard. I also have eight processes doing the same thing. That is 16 different instances of apps and processes either running, or restarted, due to the fact that they were not needed at the time and the OS reintroducing them into RAM in the event it thinks the service is needed. I still have 298 MB free, out of 1 GB of RAM.


I could not do that with Windows Phone. After a maximum of six, others were cleared out of the way to make way for something else that may be needed at the time. Those were the limitations of 512 MB of RAM on a device. With 1 GB, you get a little bit more leeway but it is not as much as Android. Check this out.


Microsoft trimmed the Windows 10 Mobile multitasking carousel to improve OS speed


Even on a 1 GB RAM device, on Windows 10 Mobile, you're still limited to 7 apps cached (those you can see when you press the system button to switch in between tasks). Far more on Android, at least 30 or more. That isn't active multitasking, because those apps aren't running, but the device can quickly resume those apps once I choose them.


If you desire to have 30 programs fully open on a PC, and to be able to go back and forth between them, that is one thing, but in practice an individual might have a lot of tabs open on a browser, and 5 or 10 apps referenced on the dock but I doubt all of those apps are actually open and running. The 65 - 100 processes you have running when you click on the Task Manager are necessary for how a PC runs. At least how Windows runs. A phone does not require no where near as many processes, which is probably a good thing.
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Old 10-11-2016, 02:11 PM
 
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The 65 - 100 processes you have running when you click on the Task Manager are necessary for how a PC runs. At least how Windows runs. A phone does not require no where near as many processes, which is probably a good thing.
android is linux with a java menu overlay:
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root@hammerhead:/data/data/berserker.android.apps.sshdroid/home # uname -a -m -p
Linux localhost 3.4.0-ga8b89f2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 5 15:53:38 PST 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux
root@hammerhead:/data/data/berserker.android.apps.sshdroid/home # ps wl | wc -l
219
root@hammerhead:/data/data/berserker.android.apps.sshdroid/home # top

Mem: 1845948K used, 53616K free, 0K shrd, 51296K buff, 535692K cached
CPU: 8.1% usr 10.4% sys 0.6% nic 80.7% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 0.0% sirq
Load average: 9.23 9.51 9.39 1/1831 31078
PID PPID USER STAT VSZ %VSZ CPU %CPU COMMAND
838 188 system S < 972m 52.4 0 5.0 system_server
920 188 app_8 S 919m 49.5 0 2.2 {ndroid.systemui} com.android.systemui
30383 188 app_111 S < 1006m 54.2 0 1.5 {d.apps.sshdroid} berserker.android.apps.sshdroid
197 1 nobody S 29100 1.5 0 1.3 /system/bin/sensors.qcom
187 1 system S < 101m 5.4 0 1.1 /system/bin/surfaceflinger
31076 30828 root R 940 0.0 0 1.1 top
15414 188 app_154 S 931m 50.2 0 0.9 {d.process.acore} android.process.acore
1735 1 root S < 7216 0.3 0 0.9 /system/bin/mpdecision --no_sleep --avg_comp
20808 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.7 [kworker/u:3]
15422 188 app_63 S < 1149m 61.9 0 0.5 {gle.android.gms} com.google.android.gms
16947 16946 wifi S 3416 0.1 0 0.3 /system/bin/wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dnl80211 -c/data/misc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf -I/system/etc/wifi/wpa_su
7 2 root DW< 0 0.0 0 0.3 [kworker/u:0H]
20890 188 app_101 S < 1020m 55.0 0 0.1 {m.opera.browser} com.opera.browser
23515 188 app_101 S 985m 53.1 2 0.1 {dboxed_process4} com.opera.browser:sandboxed_process4
30082 188 app_86 S 963m 51.9 0 0.1 {android.youtube} com.google.android.youtube
1720 188 app_92 S 894m 48.2 1 0.1 {.locker:service} com.cmcm.locker:service
22776 188 app_116 S 879m 47.4 0 0.1 org.connectbot
30509 501 root S 7152 0.3 1 0.1 daemonsu:10111
30749 30586 root S 1172 0.0 0 0.1 /data/data/berserker.android.apps.sshdroid/dropbear/dropbeard -H /data/data/berserker.android.apps.sshdroid/
22944 22827 app_116 S 1008 0.0 0 0.1 su -
122 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.1 [dhd_dpc]
3 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.1 [ksoftirqd/0]
2683 2 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.1 [kworker/0:1H]
6970 2 root SW< 0 0.0 0 0.1 [kworker/0:2H]
19974 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.1 [kworker/0:1]
30119 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.1 [kworker/u:2]
30215 2 root SW 0 0.0 0 0.1 [kworker/u:4]
1994 188 app_92 S < 1070m 57.6 0 0.0 {m.locker:locker} com.cmcm.locker:locker
21021 188 app_101 S 975m 52.6 2 0.0 {dboxed_process0} com.opera.browser:sandboxed_process0
15349 188 app_114 S < 967m 52.1 0 0.0 {esrepublic.appy} com.mobilesrepublic.appy
16703 188 app_118 S < 946m 51.0 3 0.0 {ggle.production} com.sgiggle.production
the problem with android battery life is that its doing a lot even when its doing nothing.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Right now I have eight apps either "restarting" (cached apps) or running. This includes Google Voice, Messenger, OneDrive, Gallery, TextNow, Google App, LG Keyboard and Google Keyboard. I also have eight processes doing the same thing. That is 16 different instances of apps and processes either running, or restarted, due to the fact that they were not needed at the time and the OS reintroducing them into RAM in the event it thinks the service is needed. I still have 298 MB free, out of 1 GB of RAM.
My point is, most of those aren't really "running in the background". They are simply cached into the RAM so they open quicker when you return to them.
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:38 PM
 
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You have more control on the Android devices, such as permission control and install apps out of play store. And i don't like iTunes and icloud staff
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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But do read the "permissions" on apps from the Google Play Store.
They want permission to know everything that you ever do with the phone.
Insanity. Hope folks READ the permissions that you are granting with a Google Android phone.

I have both an iPhone and an Android.

To me, Google wants to control your entire life and is too nosey. Yes, they all are. But do READ the permissions from the Google Play Store.
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