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Old 08-27-2008, 03:36 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Looks like we are gonna be getting some more rain . . . this should be interesting.
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Old 08-27-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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10" of rain was in my rain gauge from all of this. The stream that runs near our area was well over it's banks, and came up to the parking lot, but thankfully, no major flooding. The Olive Garden in Manchester Village here in Rock Hill had some water get into it according to my neighbor who is a manager there.
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Old 08-28-2008, 06:14 AM
 
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Default Mecklenburg Flood Zone Interactive Mapping

Saw this interactive mapping link for Mecklenburg Flood zones and thought this would be a useful tool:

Floodzone Interactive Mapping
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Old 08-28-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: NE Charlotte, NC (University City)
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Saw this interactive mapping link for Mecklenburg Flood zones and thought this would be a useful tool:

Floodzone Interactive Mapping
Remember, this is showing FEMA flood zones...which is a far cry from all "real life" floodable zones in the region. FEMA floodways are only those that carry a certain volume of water or greater...like Sugar Creek. They're basically main arteries for drainage. If you happen to live in one of the FEMA zones, you are required to carry special flood insurance.

Just FYI, some areas of the city are reporting 100-year rain amounts...up from previous estimates of only a 25-year rain event.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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Remember, this is showing FEMA flood zones...which is a far cry from all "real life" floodable zones in the region. FEMA floodways are only those that carry a certain volume of water or greater...like Sugar Creek. They're basically main arteries for drainage. If you happen to live in one of the FEMA zones, you are required to carry special flood insurance.

Just FYI, some areas of the city are reporting 100-year rain amounts...up from previous estimates of only a 25-year rain event.
Steve - I have heard this - that the 100 year rain amounts were being reported . . . and I was wondering . . . does this mean that we truly have experienced something extraordinary . . . or does it mean our waterways and streams are overburdened to a much higher degree than would be estimated for a 25 year rain level? IN other words, do we need to recalculate stress on existing systems and set the criteria differently - b/c changes in topography and construction (more concrete, less friable soil) have affected absorption rates and drainage paths?

I don't know if I am using the right terms or explaining this correctly, but I guess what I am trying to convey is . . . could our estimates for containment be off? We need more drainage fields/culverts . . . ??? Does any of that make sense, LOL???
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: NE Charlotte, NC (University City)
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Steve - I have heard this - that the 100 year rain amounts were being reported . . . and I was wondering . . . does this mean that we truly have experienced something extraordinary . . . or does it mean our waterways and streams are overburdened to a much higher degree than would be estimated for a 25 year rain level? IN other words, do we need to recalculate stress on existing systems and set the criteria differently - b/c changes in topography and construction (more concrete, less friable soil) have affected absorption rates and drainage paths?

I don't know if I am using the right terms or explaining this correctly, but I guess what I am trying to convey is . . . could our estimates for containment be off? We need more drainage fields/culverts . . . ??? Does any of that make sense, LOL???
When you design a storm drainage system, you decide on a "design storm" which is typically dictated by local codes. This design storm (e.g. the 10-, 25-, 50-, or 100-year storm) provides an engineering best guesstimate based on historical rainfall amounts for how much rain will fall out of the sky. Period. It's typically reported in an inches per hour unit (like 9.3 in/hr). This data is mixed together with soil type (which dictates permeability) and the average imperviousness of a drainage basin (think of a desert full of dunes, and the "bowls" formed between the dunes are basins--in our context, each basin is relieved of it's storm water either by a pipe system or a channel). This provides an estimated amount of runoff that needs to be handled by storm pipes or a stream/creek/channel.

Long story short, the rainfall estimates used to size systems were not wrong. If anything, the estimates get refined and/or reassured now that we have another significant data point in our rainfall history.

What you're referring to with ditches and channels that spilled out of their banks during our storms has to do with a couple of issues, none of which have to do with the predicted amount of rainfall.
1. The ditches/streams/creeks become undersized when we over-build and provide no means of retention/detention to subdue the amount of runoff we're adding. This is a cumulative effect over years and years of neglecting this issue. Mainly, because you can't see it immediately, and you see it what, maybe once every 5-10 years when we get a big rain and have some flooding? This makes people bump the issue way down on the priority list.
2. As I told you in another post, a healthy stream has a connection to its floodplain. These floodplains are almost always swallowed up and mistakenly deemed as "buildable land" in suburban and urban regions like Charlotte. A stream wants to spill out of its banks when it expereinces high flows. This helps dissipate the energy of the water rushing through it (which avoids damage to the stream banks and features like rocks and trees). Take away this floodplain and the stream doesn't know it...

It is very expensive to design, aquire real estate and/or easements, and reconstruct streams (as well as pipe systems). It's somewhere on the order of $350-$500+ per foot of stream to resotre. There is no average stream length, but you could figure the big arteries in the region are on the order of miles, not feet. So not only is it very difficult finaincially, you also have to deal with folks who don't want to give back that floodplain or just don't want construction on their property period!

The reason other large cities, as some posters have referenced, have massive underground channeling systems is that those cities must have those systems in order to survive...meaning the entire city would drown without it. Flooding is flooding and its bad no matter how you slice it, but Charlotte's flooding is relatively localized and not the problem of everyone...therefore, everyone is not going to want to invest hundreds of millions (which is what it would take to build these grandiose systems that people mention in their posts) and the many years to design, construct, and maintain these systems.

This leaves us with no other option but to be reactive and fix problems as they appear and can be worked into the schedule of fixes.
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Old 09-07-2008, 03:36 PM
 
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Can anyone tell me if Lake Norman area floods?
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Old 09-07-2008, 07:49 PM
 
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Can anyone tell me if Lake Norman area floods?
Not usually. The only flooding problems close to it are properties further down south along the river that the lake feeds into.
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