Another tax . . . ? (Charlotte, Bolivia: health insurance, homes, landscaping)
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The first rule of Project Mayhem is you don't ask questions.
LOL! That quote is perfect for today's politics...
Another 2%? Remember, the first rule of Obamanomics (and I guess Bevonomics)...punish those who do for the benefit of those who never will.
Well voters...hope you got what you wanted. Yeah Bev...keep up the good work.
To be honest, I don't mind the extra tax on cigs, and alcohol.
I have a problem w/how much tax NC adds on GASOLINE.....its rediculous sinced Im forced to drive (not forced to smoke or drink) that I have to bend over and hold my ankles every time I fill up
The thing that gets me about the cig tax is this: in general, prevalence of smoking is inversely related to educational level and socioeconomic status. Basically, people who make less money are more likely to be smokers (obviously there are many exceptions, but, as a broad, general statement, this is the case). So whenever they raise taxes on cigarettes to fund public programs for people of low socioeconomic status, they are, in large part, imposing the tax on the same people that those funds will be used to help.
LOL! That quote is perfect for today's politics...
Another 2%? Remember, the first rule of Obamanomics (and I guess Bevonomics)...punish those who do for the benefit of those who never will.
Well voters...hope you got what you wanted. Yeah Bev...keep up the good work.
Yep, the Feds are gonna tax us coming and going and the state is now gonna add more onto the burden . . . But it's great, cause this is to pay for all the entitlement programs for the millions who are sitting on their arses and expecting a hand out.
2010 is the year to figure out how to dissolve your assets. By 2011, the po folk out there are gonna be handed everything from upgrades on their homes (new windows, new insulation, etc) to free healthcare (and that includes illegal immigrants - if you can fathom it - yes, it does - I got a confirmation on that) . . . so it is only gonna pay to be making under $32,000 for a couple and have no assets.
The Crap & Trade bill has a provision that if you are living w/in the poverty guidelines, the gubment will bring your house up to energy standards FREE!!! Put in new windows, heating system - you name it! So I am gonna go find the crappiest piece of SH&T house and move in. Of course, this has to be the only piece of property you own.
And there's lots more. Free college tuition and expenses for the impoverished amongst us (but only if you are a minority! Obama conveniently leaves that out! I don't see how this is constitutional, but folks, it is spelled out in the legislation - minorities only!!!) Do you know what would happen if the grants were to go to "majority race only?" And anyone who questions this will be called a racist. WHY? Shouldn't the grants go to ANYONE who can qualify for the money? It should not be based on race, period!
It is the redistribution of wealth in this country. The community organizers out there are fully aware of all these provisions and have, indeed, created them so as to upgrade the crappy neighborhoods where the entitlement crowd lives . . . It seems only the middle class working guy is unaware of what is coming down the pike (and why). I guess people just can't believe this could happen. Even the liberals amongst us can't really believe this Robin Hood mentality is right. Maybe when it hits the lefties that they don't qualify for any of the freebies, but their taxes are gonna go to bolster up the "gimme" group . . . but by then, it will be too late.
I personally don't think a person making $250,000 (especially in a metro such as NYC) are "wealthy" but regardless, I thought our Prez said that no one will be taxed additionally unless they make above that amount. Hmmmmm.
The thing that gets me about the cig tax is this: in general, prevalence of smoking is inversely related to educational level and socioeconomic status. Basically, people who make less money are more likely to be smokers (obviously there are many exceptions, but, as a broad, general statement, this is the case). So whenever they raise taxes on cigarettes to fund public programs for people of low socioeconomic status, they are, in large part, imposing the tax on the same people that those funds will be used to help.
I don't have an issue w/your point, but to me its still a CHOICE. No one has a gun to someones head to smoke or drink. Cigs were aro $6 a pack in NJ and it was one of the reasons why I pushed myself to quit.
I understand its a touchy subject, but I am definitely in more favor of raising taxes on cigs and alcohol instead of things like gasoline......aren't you?
I don't have an issue w/your point, but to me its still a CHOICE. No one has a gun to someones head to smoke or drink. Cigs were aro $6 a pack in NJ and it was one of the reasons why I pushed myself to quit.
I understand its a touchy subject, but I am definitely in more favor of raising taxes on cigs and alcohol instead of things like gasoline......aren't you?
"Sin" taxes don't bother most of us - we are fine with them, even if we smoke and drink, LOL!!!
The gasoline tax is a wholly different subject.
However, it is a non-argument, cause it is not like decisions are being made to dispense (or lower) the gas tax. Additional taxes are simply gonna be added. And it isn't over yet.
Energy costs are gonna go up. So that is gonna increase what it takes to stay warm in the winter - for everyone. Even if it isn't a "tax" it is a cost of living increase.
If you receive healthcare insurance thru/ your employer, those bennies are gonna be taxed. So if your employer is underwriting $5000 on your policy (and that is the average) . .. then you will pay taxes on that additional $5000, wh could, of course, put some folks into a higher tax bracket - so it will mean a big jump in taxes for those people.
And you won't be able to sell your house unless it is deemed "energy efficient," so if that requires that you put in new windows, or a new HVAC system, or new insulation (or all 3) try adding that cost up. And no more FHA loans on homes that are NOT energy efficient, so even if you find a buyer for your house "as is," who is gonna underwrite the loan????
It is not like we are switching out taxes - dropping some in favor of others. It is just heaping more on - plus increasing the cost of living.
You guys are going to drive me out to the woods with a tent, a buncha guns and ammo, and the assorted survival tools. Seriously. I think we should get a bunch of people together and do that. Fall off the radar. Refuse to pay any taxes. My AR tells me I have that right. *chambers a round* What say you, IRS Agent?
w/Energy, I have taken precautions to lower my energy bill significantly. CFL's instead of incandescents, keeping the HVAC system running smoothly, etc......you get my point. Still, like you said the COST OF kilowatt's/hr have been and will be going up, so even if you conserve, your RATE will still increase.
Hopefully they (libs) don't get that provision to tax health care bene's in the bill...that is still being negotiated....we'll see.
I agree w/your point though...its just one big shell game to move money around and collect as much as possible.
w/Energy, I have taken precautions to lower my energy bill significantly. CFL's instead of incandescents, keeping the HVAC system running smoothly, etc......you get my point. Still, like you said the COST OF kilowatt's/hr have been and will be going up, so even if you conserve, your RATE will still increase.
Hopefully they (libs) don't get that provision to tax health care bene's in the bill...that is still being negotiated....we'll see.
I agree w/your point though...its just one big shell game to move money around and collect as much as possible.
Yes - A SHELL GAME. That is what I said to DH last week. One big shell game.
Here is the corker. The Cap & Trade bill requires that we all lower our energy consumption by 20%. So if you are already conserving, how the hell are you gonna lower it 20% more? I have been thinking about this a lot. I am already conserving every way I can - have been conserving since the 70s. So how does one further conserve?
Oh - forgot to mention - if your house is over 2500 sq. ft, you have to pay an annual premium on the square footage over that figure. No one knows what this fee will be. So that is just another hidden "tax."
The thing that gets me about the cig tax is this: in general, prevalence of smoking is inversely related to educational level and socioeconomic status. Basically, people who make less money are more likely to be smokers (obviously there are many exceptions, but, as a broad, general statement, this is the case). So whenever they raise taxes on cigarettes to fund public programs for people of low socioeconomic status, they are, in large part, imposing the tax on the same people that those funds will be used to help.
I agree. It's also the same for the possible sugary drink tax. People who drink Coke, Mt. Dew, etc... typically are in the lower socioeconomic status.
I am ok with some taxes if it keeps things running during the recession. I just hope that these taxes have an end date when things get better. I don't want this used as an excuse for a permanent tax.
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